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Good early morning, all y'all. As I've said before, I don't get here much these days for lack of an Internet connection in my Tennessee deep holler home. But this post-election discovery is well worth sharing.
This year, Amendment 1 (to give the legislature more power to restrict or ban abortions) was opposed by the vast majority of Tennessee voters. In one poll conducted by Vanderbilt University of 1,300+ likely voters, only 23% of respondents supported the amendment, with 71% opposed. Only 32% of Republican respondents supported the amendment, along with 21% of Independents and 15% of Democrats. Pretty safe position from which to defeat the amendment, one would think. Well, better think again.
During early voting, voters in several counties reported their votes flipping from "no" to "yes" on Amendment 1. I was one of them. Those flips did not occur when the voters chose "no" (which might indicate a problem with calibration). They occurred between making the choice and reviewing all ballot choices before casting the vote.
Then, at the end of Election Day, TN voters were stunned to find their strong opposition to Amendment 1 had morphed to support for anti-choice. Amendment 1 "passed" with a six point margin of victory.
Or did it?
In Tennessee, our election laws state that only the votes from people who had also voted for Governor are to be counted on constitutional amendments. No vote for Governor = no voice on amendments.
However, when the (s)election totals were released later last week, intrepid (s)election observers discovered that the total votes for or against Amendment 1 EXCEEDED the total votes for Governor. That cannot be, according to our State constitution. But it was. (I don't wonder why.)
With this discovery, Amendment 1 opponents have filed a lawsuit demanding that the votes be recounted to allow only the eligible ballots to be included. If that cannot be done, the lawsuit asks that the Amendment 1 "outcome" be voided and another election held on that amendment.
Our (s)election officials (sic) have already told me that the machines cannot make that separation and we all know that there is nothing available for a separation and recount. We'll see what tune they are whistling (past the graveyard) today.
One thing is certain. This morning, there are a whole lotta Tennessee women (and pro-choice men) who are finally awake to the fraud-friendly nature of our (s)elections. Those folks include members of all political persuasions -- except the Corporatists. They know that the machines "functioned as intended" and have so stated.
This morning, Tennessee voters are awakening to the fact that no truer words have ever been spoken.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe this is the "outcome" we have waited for to illustrate how easy election fraud is to commit in this state when the (s)election of Republican racists, misogynists, homophobes, gun-toting drunks, the certifiably mentally ill and Hooters girls to our legislature has not.
So pop some popcorn, hide and watch.
Things are finally heating up in the home of Andrew Jackson and the birthplace of the blues. It's about fucking time.
Botany
(70,524 posts)And what will the Dems do or say about these "glitches?"
answer jack shit.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)For that reason alone, the system MUST be changed.
Paper ballots now.
We need to stand with conservatives on this. Many of them support paper ballots too (little do they know..).
Botany
(70,524 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2014, 08:57 AM - Edit history (1)
....... of "the vote" to republicans. In 2004 all exit polls matched the vote with a
slight shift of the vote to Kerry that was less then the margin of error and in all
states that used electronic voting showed a shift of the vote greater then the margin
of error to w bush. I still have nighmares about Ohio 2004.
http://www.mediastudy.com/exitpoll.html
BTW the Walker recall vote in 2011 (?) never passed my smell test.
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stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)We can and have certainly proven that it CAN happen which is clearly good enough for me (and probably a strong majority of Americans), but proving that it HAS happened is a bit more difficult isn't it?
If I had to bet on my life one way or the other I would have to say that they have stolen elections in this country on electronic voting machines.
However, if their proprietary voting machines are not able to be examined then it becomes difficult to PROVE that they have done it. Which, of course, is very convenient.
My point is that in the end it doesn't even matter. Since our system is not verifiable in many areas of our country it simply must be changed. Period.
And LOTS of election results don't pass my smell test either. I'm with you.
Botany
(70,524 posts)But both the State and National Democrats refused to back her when she ran for the US Senate.
Now the republicans and the rich & powerful along w/help from a dirty media cheat and
lie in elections but the failure of the Democrats and the Obama Administration for standing
up and fighting this corruption of our vote is sickening.
BTW I have done voter and election protection work in OH for years and I know but it is
harder to prove that for the Dems to win they need to win by a larger margin because of
the republican "fudge factor."
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Fl AG Harris was the gatekeeper & Bro Jeb the delivery man. The SCOTUS had to be stacked b/4 this could be pulled off.
As far as I see it, that was the coup d'etat that has steadily driven us back to the Dark Ages.
The voting fraud is these electronic machines & vote caging. Those who are so fearful they can't win that they doubly insure they win. They are thieves on multiple levels.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Don't expect the Dems to do anything about anything. All we get is CRICKETS!
Lars39
(26,109 posts)I'd been so disgusted by the results first reported that I had to tune out for a bit.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Clint Curtis testifies before a congressional committee. You won't believe your ears!
This is on voting software for touchscreens!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)What you need is an adequate audit, and many states don't have this. We are still in need of NJ Rep. Rush Holt's HR811 for a mandate on all states using electronics. The bill called for 35 audit of electronic totals against paper ballots. Because of a wave to pass this bill, they rushed in Florida's paper ballot, all while gutting the counting laws around it.
Here is the hack test on optiscan machines, done in Leon County, Fl.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Our democracy is too important to be left in the hands of the lowest bidder. Especially secretive lowest bidders.
TNNurse
(6,928 posts)We will get this amendment overturned.
Thanks for your information. There is already a petition online to have this voided and another election held.
I am sure a lot of people did not vote for governor because he had no viable opposition. He is not my choice but I believe he is on the right side of this amendment.
reflection
(6,286 posts)I am a TN voter and was wicked pissed that this amendment passed.
TNNurse
(6,928 posts)Repeal amendment one....
Tell everyone you know.
reflection
(6,286 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,271 posts)as intended by them, of course.
dotymed
(5,610 posts)Tennessean, I was disgusted by all (except the selling of wine in grocery stores) of the results. I did review my votes before submitting them, that doesn't mean shit. I wanted to review my votes after submitting them..actually I wanted (at least) a paper receipt, of course this is "not possible", bullshit, my ATM does it daily.
Without a paper confirmation of our votes, there is no way to re-count...how fortuitous FOR THEM.
I do not see any fall-out over this heinous bill. I was an English major in college. The language on these measures was soo deceptive, I had to re-read them three times to make sure that I understood their convoluted wording.
We can not even get a paper receipt of our voting. How in the hell are we gonna get real change in voting? Like getting money out of politics, replacing ineffective "representatives, Governors, etc..
IT IS ALL RIGGED.. BTW, I did hold my nose (again) and vote for Governor.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Its to make it more difficult to sell your vote. Sure, somebody can pay you to vote for them, but they can not verify who you actually voted for. If you were given a receipt, it would be a lot easier to buy votes.
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)Me too.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)No reason the machines can't be programmed to print the receipt correctly and to have the votes flipped either inside the machine or at a central tabulator. Then what? You'd never be able to collect receipts from a high enough percentage of voters to use them as the basis of a recount.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)its not who vote but who counts the votes! Rethugs learn well!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)woodsprite
(11,916 posts)but you would have a hard time choosing what you wanted in the first place.
I've seen a lot of blame for flipping placed on calibration, but I don't buy it. When my iPad or touch screen isn't calibrated correctly, it doesn't "flip" stuff, it just selects something different right up front when you touch it.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Oh, wait...
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Odd how that works, isn't it?
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Just...wow!!
peace13
(11,076 posts)Fly by night
(5,265 posts)Just here to check on this thread. While I was reviewing y'all's comments, the number of Facebook likes dropped from 11 to ... zero. I liked the thread myself (nothing wrong with my self esteem) but nothing shows up on my FuBar home page. Hmmmmm ...
Now you may be seeing something different. This IPhone has given me similar "lost votes" on another forum I visit. The correct numbers continued to show on a desktop - just not on this IPhone.
Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to fuck with me.
mountain grammy
(26,630 posts)NOT! Thanks for sharing.
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)After my last post, my FuBar likes became visible again. It is now up to 13. But ...
I am at my local library using a desktop. I once again tried to like the thread so a link would appear on my FuBar home page. However, this machine will not let me like the thread. It remains at 13, where it has been for two hours.
Rage against the machine(s)!!
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)In the time it took me to post the above comment, the FuBar likes here at DU once again dropped to 0 on this library computer.
However, I was able to have my like counted this time, (bringing the total I see up to 1)
However (take 2), nothing appears on my FuBar page as it should.
I love it when the machines help me make my point.
Any questions?
Martin Eden
(12,872 posts)Corporatists and their (s)elected servants commit actual large scale election fraud while disenfranchising a large number of voters under the guise of preventing non-existent voter impersonation fraud.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:21 PM - Edit history (1)
Where there are NO paper ballots to have a recount, the ONLY thing the e-voting machines can do is spit out
a regurgitation of what it spit out already once .. and waa-laa ... THAT is your "recount".
Is this correct, about the kinds of machines used in Tennessee?
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)In TN, 93 of our 95 counties use DREs that are not attached to printers. Nothing to see besides what's on the DRE screen.
The two counties that use paper ballots and opscans have no policy about doing hand recounts in randomly selected precincts. So even those counties can be easily frauded too.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)David Fowler of Family Action Council of TN is already whining.
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)... as I know.
However, many of the flying monkeys who now soil our General Assembly would give him a good race ... to the bottom.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But it's okay when Republicans do it.
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)I tell them "Dick with ears".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thanks for that!
joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)leanforward
(1,076 posts)To me, anyone messing with the vote needs time away from home. Did any of these people take an oath? We have paper ballots in our state. Who in the heck is programming those machines? Bradlog had an interesting story concerning Ohio back in 2012 and the Karl Rove misfits.
Go forth and do good.
leanforward
(1,076 posts)If I remember correctly, the programming outfit used by the Ohio SoS was from TN. I reserve the right to be wrong or slightly off, but this thread got me to thinking. There is some BS going on. Who serviced those machines?
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)For some reason (sic), Ohio decided to funnel its votes through a Chattanooga firm before releasing them. Likely to apply a coat of red paint to their snow job.
Fly by night
(5,265 posts)... the Amendment 1 lawsuit absurd and fulfilling the constitutional requirement that only persons voting for Governor can have their votes on amendments counted impossible to accomplish with DREs.
No shit. That's one of the million reasons not to use them. "Too Tall" has only one reason to insist we keep them -- they are the unverifiable wellspring from which their R mandate derives.
I call Tre "Too Tall" because he has taken to wearing shoes with lifts in them to make him look like something other than the silly and dangerous piss-ant that he is.