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"So if people voted FOR liberal policies - but against our candidates - then clearly we must..." (Original Post) Hissyspit Nov 2014 OP
That's just about it, and that's fucking disgusting that is Autumn Nov 2014 #1
This vote is our nerves breakdown as a country. Vote for the policies and then vote for the jwirr Nov 2014 #2
I hope not Bettie Nov 2014 #3
Fine. But, don't blame the Left for the losses. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #4
You wait... ReRe Nov 2014 #20
They always do. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #23
There's room for everyone at the Koch feeding trough. L0oniX Nov 2014 #5
It just goes to show how pathetic the Democratic Party has become. stillwaiting Nov 2014 #6
^^^ this (nt) jeff47 Nov 2014 #8
Well said dorkzilla Nov 2014 #13
Our party has rarely been very good at messaging. Veilex Nov 2014 #15
Blammo! hifiguy Nov 2014 #21
sigh progressoid Nov 2014 #7
lol, that's an excellent point. Marr Nov 2014 #9
Bingo. ReRe Nov 2014 #24
Clearly we need more candidates Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #10
Clearly we need more candidates Martin Eden Nov 2014 #12
We also need to ensure that those candidates are isolated away from lobyists... Veilex Nov 2014 #16
"..Democratic elites.. Segami Nov 2014 #11
If a reader is lost and confused... ReRe Nov 2014 #25
Getting the story Segami Nov 2014 #27
Absolutely! n/t ReRe Nov 2014 #30
wasn't it all the center-right democrats that got their asses handed to them last tuesday? Takket Nov 2014 #14
you have to control for district bonzo925 Nov 2014 #22
Redistricting in 2010 really hurt us too. Good that 2020 is a presidential year though... cascadiance Nov 2014 #35
The experts call this "polling paradox". SpankMe Nov 2014 #17
Crazy, isn't it? But entirely predictable at this point, now that we have learned how it all works. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #18
. stonecutter357 Nov 2014 #19
I was going to say we should invade Ireland, but moving to the right makes just as much sense. Zorra Nov 2014 #26
LOVE IT. merrily Nov 2014 #29
Yes, somehow the lesson of every single thing to be parsed is "We must move further right." merrily Nov 2014 #28
It's the sensible thing to do! WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #31
when people vote for candidates they don't always vote on issues, look at Christie JI7 Nov 2014 #32
Makes ya go huh (nt) malokvale77 Nov 2014 #33
Move further to The Right? bvar22 Nov 2014 #34
Exactly. merrily Nov 2014 #36

Autumn

(45,114 posts)
1. That's just about it, and that's fucking disgusting that is
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:02 PM
Nov 2014

what our elected so called leaders get from the fiasco that was the 2014 election.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. This vote is our nerves breakdown as a country. Vote for the policies and then vote for the
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:07 PM
Nov 2014

candidate most likely to end them.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
6. It just goes to show how pathetic the Democratic Party has become.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:19 PM
Nov 2014

People WANT progressive policies enacted, but they don't know or believe that the Democratic Party supports or will help implement them.

It's a disgrace.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
15. Our party has rarely been very good at messaging.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:12 PM
Nov 2014

Perhaps the question we should be asking is how can we improve that?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
21. Blammo!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:14 PM
Nov 2014

Bull's eye.

But why should then believe otherwise? The DLC/Turd Way crowd sold the party to the corporate bidders and do NOT bite that hand. EVER.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. lol, that's an excellent point.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:26 PM
Nov 2014

I keep seeing commentators reference the fact that voters supported liberal policies but not Democratic candidates, but all they every do is shrug and look befuddled, like the electorate is just so stupid.

Clearly, the party isn't particularly identified with liberal policies anymore.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. Bingo.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding.

People are tired of having to vote for tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum. It's like pin the tail on the donkey game of our youth all over again.

I've been saying for years that they're all in the same bed up there (in D.C.) And as each day passes, I'm learning that that is actually true.

Martin Eden

(12,872 posts)
12. Clearly we need more candidates
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

who have not had their proverbial balls cut off (or their spine removed)

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
16. We also need to ensure that those candidates are isolated away from lobyists...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:14 PM
Nov 2014

else all is for naught.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
11. "..Democratic elites..
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:57 PM
Nov 2014
"....— ensconced in the law firms, foundations, banks, and media executive suites where the real decisions are made — basically agree with each other about organizing governance around the needs of high technology and high finance. The only time the question even comes up now is in an inverted corroded form, when a liberal activist gnashes his or her teeth and wonders — why can’t Democrats run elections around populist themes and policies? This is still the wrong question, because it assumes the wrong causality. Parties don’t poll for good ideas, run races on them, and then govern. They have ideas, poll to find out how to sell those ideas, and run races and recruit candidates based on the polling. It’s ideas first, then the sales pitch. If the sales pitch is bad, it’s often the best of what can be made of an unpopular stew of ideas. Still, you’d think that someone, somewhere would have populist ideas. And a few — like Zephyr Teachout and Elizabeth Warren — do. But why does every other candidate not?..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025796269

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
25. If a reader is lost and confused...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:42 PM
Nov 2014

... about what the Democratic Party is now, they need to click on that link and read all about Al From. He is the father of this big mess, the first Pres of the DLC (the Democratic Leadership Comm

If that doesn't clarify things, google the following words, word for word, and READ:


How To Save the Democratic Party from Itself Will Marshall


(Should be titled "How To Destroy the Democratic Party from Within.&quot

bonzo925

(26 posts)
22. you have to control for district
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

most of the "bold progressives" are in heavily dem seats and were able to win. Do you think Alan Grayson would have won re-election in Arkansas? Obviously not. Conversely, Mark Pryor would probably be topping 65% in FL-9.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
35. Redistricting in 2010 really hurt us too. Good that 2020 is a presidential year though...
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 12:43 AM
Nov 2014

... so that hopefully we'll get good turnout that election and are able to get in good state legislatures to undo a lot of that crap then.

SpankMe

(2,958 posts)
17. The experts call this "polling paradox".
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:24 PM
Nov 2014

And, it's grown to the highest levels ever seen in US history.

This is one reason why everything feels really "wrong" these days in public affairs: The rulers if the country are of the opposite frame of mind of a majority of its citizens - not unlike Iraq under Saddam Husein, where minority Sunnis ruled over majority Shiites.

I really believe Republicans have "engineered" their wins by gaming the process. They sure as heck aren't winning on the merits of their positions.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Yes, somehow the lesson of every single thing to be parsed is "We must move further right."
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:53 PM
Nov 2014

Everything else will fail. Fail, I tell you! Look how miserably FDR and Truman failed. Couldn't win an election to save their lives. No coattails, either.

JI7

(89,254 posts)
32. when people vote for candidates they don't always vote on issues, look at Christie
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:11 PM
Nov 2014

there are people in that part of the country who actually like his style. and he is smart enough to not spout some of the things that turn people off to right wingers like the religious talk .

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