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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:03 PM Nov 2014

Coffee and tea are both good for you.

“Drinking tea is actually better for you than drinking water,” says Carrie Ruxton, a public health nutritionist at Kings College in London. “Water is essentially replacing fluid. Tea replaces fluids and contains antioxidants so it’s got two things going for it…even if you had a really, really strong cup of tea or coffee, which is quite hard to make, you would still have a net gain of fluid [i.e. your body retains more than it excretes]. Also, a cup of tea contains fluoride, which is good for the teeth.”

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In fact, caffeine may be so good for you that it cancels out the harmful effects of bad habits. Asians smoke more than anyone else on the planet, and yet the incidence of cancer and heart disease is lower than in most countries. This has been referred to as the “Asian Paradox.” Bauer Sumpio, chief of vascular surgery in the Department of Surgery at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, produced a report in the Journal of the American College of Surgeons suggesting that the high consumption of green tea in Asia (as much as 1.2 liters a day) may be responsible for the Asian Paradox. The presence of high levels of polyphenols in the green tea (and other teas) seems to be the agent protecting the tea-drinking smoker. Polyphenols are effective antioxidants that destroy free radicals in the body (which can otherwise damage DNA).

So tea is good for you, apparently. How about coffee? Turns out that coffee offers much the same healthful benefits as tea. Various studies indicate that coffee offers a level of protection from some cancers (including breast cancer, prostate cancer, liver cancer and skin cancer). Earlier studies had once indicated coffee actually caused cancer, but Donald Hensrud of the Mayo Clinic explains, “Earlier studies didn’t always take into account that known high-risk behaviors, such as smoking and physical inactivity, tended to be more common among heavy coffee drinkers at that time.”

It has been shown subsequently that up to six cups a day of coffee have no link to death from heart disease or cancer. A Harvard School of Public Health study found a link between coffee drinking and up to 35% lower incidence of Type 2 diabetes. A Portuguese study found coffee lowered the risk of Parkinson’s disease. A Finnish/Swedish study found coffee drinkers had lower risks for dementia and Alzheimer’s. A Duke University School of Medicine study found caffeinated beverages like coffee and tea may help protect your liver from disease. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists found that drinking up to 12 ounces of coffee a day had no effect on a pregnancy, as far as miscarriages or premature births are concerned. “Given the evidence, we should reassure our pregnant patients and let them know that it’s OK to have a cup of coffee,” said William H. Barth, Jr. of the ACOG.

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/10/the_truth_about_coffee_and_tea_which_is_really_better_for_your_health_partner/


Go enjoy a hot caffeinated beverage!
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Coffee and tea are both good for you. (Original Post) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 OP
Glarp glarp shenmue Nov 2014 #1
I love this thread!!! pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #2
Sure gets my vote of approval!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #3
Big-time coffee addict here, loving this! closeupready Nov 2014 #4
Coffee in the AM, Tea in the afternoon, and a puff of grass in the evening. NightWatcher Nov 2014 #5
WooHoo!! nt stillwaiting Nov 2014 #6
Great. I only drink water, coffee, and tea. Dawgs Nov 2014 #7
Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee meow2u3 Nov 2014 #8
This is great to hear!!!! logosoco Nov 2014 #9
Watch the sugar in the tea! librarylu Nov 2014 #27
Ink spots skamaria Nov 2014 #10
After reading this, I celebrated by drinking another cup of coffee. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #11
Nicotine too. For better memory and weight loss. ErikJ Nov 2014 #12
Amazing Data! Who knew? TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #33
And tea is a hundred times less acidic than soda pop ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #13
Correlation is not causation. Helen Borg Nov 2014 #14
Here ya go... progressoid Nov 2014 #15
I better tell hubby to stop eating margarine. Helen Borg Nov 2014 #18
I think they are aware of that at institutions like Harvard and Duke. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #16
Yes, they are correlational studies... Helen Borg Nov 2014 #17
Why are you making stuff up? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #19
Even worse then, as it is not even in humans! Helen Borg Nov 2014 #20
Who in his right mind would trust the animals' responses to the questionnaires? pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #21
OK, it's really too bad that Harvard and Duke did not include you in the peer-review process Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #24
But I AM faculty at one of these places... Helen Borg Nov 2014 #28
Kuh...boom. randome Nov 2014 #29
Apology accepted (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #32
Oh, you are right, but people will defend to the death their pet loves. randome Nov 2014 #23
Puritanism: "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having fun" (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #25
Pizza and wine last night for dinner. randome Nov 2014 #30
Just as well malaise Nov 2014 #22
HOWEVER LiberalElite Nov 2014 #26
4 decade, 4 cupsa joe a day minimum gourmet coffee junkie checking in. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #31
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. Big-time coffee addict here, loving this!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:35 PM
Nov 2014

I also enjoy tea for a milder kick, or just for something different, after dinner or in the afternoon. K&R

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Coffee in the AM, Tea in the afternoon, and a puff of grass in the evening.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:48 PM
Nov 2014

Sounds like a good day to me.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
7. Great. I only drink water, coffee, and tea.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:40 PM
Nov 2014

Coffee in the morning, water at lunch, tea in the afternoon, and water the rest of the day.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
9. This is great to hear!!!!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

I was a big Pepsi drinker and about 22 years ago I just switched to tea. Now i drink sweet iced tea all day. And water.
I did it mainly because it was so much cheaper!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,185 posts)
11. After reading this, I celebrated by drinking another cup of coffee.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

Ah, who am I kidding? I was going to have a cup of coffee regardless. But it felt slightly more...statisfying after reading this.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
12. Nicotine too. For better memory and weight loss.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

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If dozens of human and animal studies published over the past six years are borne out by large clinical trials, nicotine — freed at last of its noxious host, tobacco, and delivered instead by chewing gum or transdermal patch — may prove to be a weirdly, improbably effective drug for relieving or preventing a variety of neurological disorders, including Parkinson’s disease, mild cognitive impairment (MCI), Tourette’s and schizophrenia. It might even improve attention and focus enough to qualify as a cognitive enhancer. And, oh yeah, it’s long been associated with weight loss, with few known safety risks. (Although, in truth, few safety studies of the increasingly popular e-cigarettes have yet been published.)
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They received either a 15-milligram nicotine patch or placebo for six months. The results found “significant nicotine-associated improvements in attention, memory and psychomotor speed,” with excellent safety and tolerability.

Other studies suggest that nicotine may be as effective at enhancing attention as methylphenidate (Ritalin) and the wakefulness-promoting drug modafinil (Provigil). In 2008, Paul Newhouse, director of the Center for Cognitive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, compared performance on a series of cognitive tasks in 15 nonsmoking ADHD patients while wearing either a 7-mg nicotine patch or a placebo patch. After just 45 minutes with the nicotine patch, the young adults were significantly better at inhibiting an impulse, delaying a reward and remembering an image they had seen.

Even people without any diagnosed disorder might benefit from nicotine. Psychologist Jennifer Rusted of the University of Sussex in Britain calls the drug “the most reliable cognitive enhancer that we currently have.” In addition to improving visual attention and working memory, nicotine has been shown by Rusted to increase prospective memory: the ability to remember and implement a prior intention. (When your mother asks you to pick up a jar of pickles at the grocery store on the way home, she’s saddling you with a prospective memory challenge.)
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http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
33. Amazing Data! Who knew?
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014
Other studies suggest that nicotine may be as effective at enhancing attention as methylphenidate (Ritalin) and the wakefulness-promoting drug modafinil (Provigil).


Incredible!
 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
13. And tea is a hundred times less acidic than soda pop ...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

... unless you just simply enjoy guzzling pop just to have the sensations of developing gastritis and stomach cancer.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
14. Correlation is not causation.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

Folks, when a company is about to go bankrupt there is a sharp increase in external job applications by the company employees. However, it would be absurd to think that a way to make sure a company does not go bankrupt is to have employees apply for external jobs! See the difference?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
16. I think they are aware of that at institutions like Harvard and Duke.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:32 PM
Nov 2014

These are actual scientific studies, not casual observations of correlations.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
17. Yes, they are correlational studies...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:32 PM
Nov 2014

Because that is all they can do. It is the media that describes them as causation. They are not, and they never were in the original papers.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. Why are you making stuff up?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:16 PM
Nov 2014

The Duke study was based upon observing how caffeine stimulates the metabolization of lipids in mice.

Using cell culture and mouse models, the study authors - led by Paul Yen, M.D., associate professor and research fellow, and Rohit Sinha, Ph.D of the Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School’s Cardiovascular and Metabolic Disorders Program in Singapore - observed that caffeine stimulates the metabolization of lipids stored in liver cells and decreased the fatty liver of mice that were fed a high-fat diet. These findings suggest that consuming the equivalent caffeine intake of four cups of coffee or tea a day may be beneficial in preventing and protecting against the progression of NAFLD in humans.

The findings will be published in the September issue of the journal Hepatology.

“This is the first detailed study of the mechanism for caffeine action on lipids in liver and the results are very interesting,” Yen said. “Coffee and tea are so commonly consumed and the notion that they may be therapeutic, especially since they have a reputation for being “bad” for health, is especially enlightening.”

http://corporate.dukemedicine.org/news_and_publications/news_office/news/coffee-and-tea-may-contribute-to-a-healthy-liver


This is not a "correlational study", which would compare incidence of liver disease with caffeine consumption.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. Who in his right mind would trust the animals' responses to the questionnaires?
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:22 AM
Nov 2014

They lie like...well, dogs and cats, if you know what I mean. And some of them seem to belong to another counterculture entirely...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. OK, it's really too bad that Harvard and Duke did not include you in the peer-review process
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 08:46 AM
Nov 2014

for these studies. Your plainspoken debunking of their work would have made those fancypants academics with their highfalutin' qualifications slink away in embarrassment.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
29. Kuh...boom.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 02:42 PM
Nov 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. Oh, you are right, but people will defend to the death their pet loves.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:36 AM
Nov 2014

Every single time a study like this comes up, those who 'love' caffeine or whatever will see in it confirmation of their own refusal to give it up.

Even if one accepts that the occasional dose does one good, it will be taken to extremes to justify one's weakness and inability to pace oneself.

The 'lure' of pleasing one's taste buds is too much to resist.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
30. Pizza and wine last night for dinner.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

But I won't delude myself that either of those items is 'good' for me.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

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