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kentuck

(111,106 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:43 PM Nov 2014

We need more progressives to throw their hat into the presidential ring.

Other than just Hillary or whomever the corporate media tells us is the only "logical" choice.

Republicans have as many as 12 possible candidates that have announced they may run for President.

So far, we have none, although most of the speculation points to Hillary.

I would say to Bernie, go for it! Elizabeth, don't sit back. We have much better people than the ones that are thinking of running on the Republican side. We just need progressive voices in the mix.

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We need more progressives to throw their hat into the presidential ring. (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2014 OP

It's so complex, isn't it. It is part who we would like, but also who could actually win - NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #1

But it seems... kentuck Nov 2014 #2

yes - my theory on that. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #6

But even if they don't win the nomination... kentuck Nov 2014 #7

oh yes, of course! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #8

Has it occurred to you that a lot of progressive politicians LIKE Hillary Clinton? brooklynite Nov 2014 #3

That's true. It surprises some people, I know, but MineralMan Nov 2014 #4

And could that be part of the problem? kentuck Nov 2014 #5

I agree. LWolf Nov 2014 #9

I like Sherrod Brown, Al Franken, Jan Schiakowsky (sp?) of IL.. kentuck Nov 2014 #10

I agree with some of those: LWolf Nov 2014 #12

The GOP candidate are just in it for the matching funds and the free publicity, it pays to run. CK_John Nov 2014 #11

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)

1. It's so complex, isn't it. It is part who we would like, but also who could actually win -

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:47 PM

Nov 2014

mixed with who the party powers that be wish to run, mixed with the media setting the dialog (of course, run by their corporate masters). Toss in the dark money/Citizens United situation. Add a dash of the expanse of our tent (so many opinions so loudly stated) and it is enough to push one into hibernation for the next two years!

kentuck

(111,106 posts)

2. But it seems...

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:02 PM

Nov 2014

...that every Republican thinks they have a chance to win.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)

6. yes - my theory on that.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:42 PM

Nov 2014

Democrats, liberals, progressives tend to be facts and evidence based - we take in info, we learn, we assess - sometimes we analyze ourselves into pretzels in search of "the answer". We accept grey areas.

Those on the right say what they wish for, are aided and abetted by those who bow to their "authority" - it is black and white. When you don't analyse or seek facts, one can assume flawlessness. I see it as a character defect with them. It is hubris, power, authority. They truly do each think they can win - just as we seek info, look for data and come up with all of the reasons that they can't or shouldn't win.

Like apples and oranges!

kentuck

(111,106 posts)

7. But even if they don't win the nomination...

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:04 PM

Nov 2014

They could get out a progressive message to people. That alone would make it worth the effort.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)

8. oh yes, of course!

Reply to kentuck (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:05 PM

Nov 2014

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)

3. Has it occurred to you that a lot of progressive politicians LIKE Hillary Clinton?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:09 PM

Nov 2014

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

"I am a huge Hillary Clinton fan," Dean told CNN in an interview. "I just am. Not because I hope to get a job. I know her; I've known her for a long time. I think she has an enormous mental capacity to do analysis and let the chips fall where they may."

"If she is president, which I hope she is, I think she is going to be a terrific president," added Dean, who stopped into Clinton's book signing event in the Hamptons last weekend and posed for a picture with the former secretary of state.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/politics/howard-dean-hillary-clinton-2016/

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)

4. That's true. It surprises some people, I know, but

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:12 PM

Nov 2014

people who are in politics look at politicians differently than those of us who are not. Hillary gets a lot of respect from her fellow politicians, including many progressives. Maybe we should look at why that is.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)

5. And could that be part of the problem?

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:22 PM

Nov 2014

Too many are looking at Hillary to save us. She may still be the candidate but we still need more progressive voices in the mix, in my opinion.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

9. I agree.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:11 PM

Nov 2014

So...besides those 2, who else might be a strong left-of-HRC contender? I'm thinking we need to start showing up with truckloads full of invitations.

There are some really great people in my state; I don't know that I want to lose them, though, or if they'd be competitive in the national arena.

Who else would be?

kentuck

(111,106 posts)

10. I like Sherrod Brown, Al Franken, Jan Schiakowsky (sp?) of IL..

Reply to LWolf (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:10 PM

Nov 2014

I like the Governor of Kentucky, Steve Beshear, also.

I also like Jerry Brown of CA for his age and wisdom.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

12. I agree with some of those:

Reply to kentuck (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:42 PM

Nov 2014

Sherrod Brown, Al Franken, and Jerry Brown, to start with.

The rest I don't know enough about to have an opinion, but I'm happy to spend some time finding out.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)

11. The GOP candidate are just in it for the matching funds and the free publicity, it pays to run.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:16 PM

Nov 2014

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