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Dave Grohl on Taylor Swift Spotify Fight: 'I Don't F--king Care' (Original Post) UglyGreed Nov 2014 OP
I like Grohl, but he's worth about 250 million and is selling retail shit tons of copies daily Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #1
As opposed to the nearly destitute Swift, who has exactly zero talent to account for her obscene $. 6000eliot Nov 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #4
BWAH! bigwillq Nov 2014 #7
I agree. Zero talent. bigwillq Nov 2014 #6
I like a lot of Taylor Swift's songs LuvLoogie Nov 2014 #14
I'm not a pop fan but that is a beautiful song. She sounds lovely. nt chowder66 Nov 2014 #21
The song really captures the theme LuvLoogie Nov 2014 #28
A friend of mine made over 3 million refinancing TS's properties back in 2011. Ruby the Liberal Nov 2014 #8
As someone who works within the music industry.. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #3
I did not like the Foo Fighters UglyGreed Nov 2014 #5
This from the asshole with a multi-part Codeine Nov 2014 #9
I don't care UglyGreed Nov 2014 #12
It is quite an interesting and well done show edhopper Nov 2014 #13
So is the FF catalog free now? n2doc Nov 2014 #10
Not free but if you have Amazon prime dilby Nov 2014 #20
Actually ... He did ... He has ... He is ... Trajan Nov 2014 #26
I agree. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #11
Poor wittle Taylor Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #15
Dave Grohl has talent and has made music I want to listen to for decades. TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #16
What do you think about the song in post #14 demwing Nov 2014 #17
Yes. Even Burnett can't make her into something she isn't. TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #18
No. That is not generic bland pop. Rex Nov 2014 #19
Dave Grohl has talent and I wanted to like his new band REP Nov 2014 #27
It's Only Rock 'N' Roll? napkinz Nov 2014 #22
My daughter hates her UglyGreed Nov 2014 #23
I think Taylor Swift is a lovely beautiful woman.. sendero Nov 2014 #24
Yes she is lovely UglyGreed Nov 2014 #25
Taylor's net worth is over $200 million davidn3600 Nov 2014 #30
I have better UglyGreed Nov 2014 #32
Wow! I actually have to agree with Taylor Swift over Dave Grohl? HuckleB Nov 2014 #31
Why? It isn't like streaming services don't pay royalties Trekologer Nov 2014 #33
I don't think most musicians see that money. HuckleB Nov 2014 #36
Maybe it's just my pro-grunge, anti-pop bias True Blue Door Nov 2014 #34
Grohl is acting like a pro-pop, anti-grunge old man. HuckleB Nov 2014 #37
The fuck are you talking about? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38
The only Sonic Highways episode I've seen so far is the one about Austin City Limits... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #35
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
1. I like Grohl, but he's worth about 250 million and is selling retail shit tons of copies daily
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:55 AM
Nov 2014

Pretty easy to say 'give it away' when you are ultra rich and do not in reality give all of your music away. He makes it sound like the copies are all gifted and he profits from the shows only. That is just not the case.
Two really rich artists one doing retail business at 45 and the other at 24. Basically they are the same business person with different product styles.
I really dislike the habit some wealthy people have of pretending they do not seek profit or make money. 'I believe in giving it away'. Then give it the fuck away. But do not sell it then puff at others that they should give it away. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy even with long lovely rock star hair.

Response to 6000eliot (Reply #2)

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
14. I like a lot of Taylor Swift's songs
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:36 PM
Nov 2014

and not just the one's that get air play. She's no Joni Mitchell, but she's certainly a lot better than you indicate. She may not make songs to your taste, but she is certainly a talented young woman. She comes up with good musical and lyrical hooks that appeal to a lot of people, including my two young daughters and their friend. I remember what great fun I had with them as they were bopping and singing along to "Mean" while I drove them to school.

My wife likes TS, too. As parents we both really like Never Grow up.

Here's a really cool collaboration with T-Bone Burnet and the Civil Wars on "Safe & Sound" from the Hunger Games sound track. T-Bone Burnett called HER.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
28. The song really captures the theme
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 06:47 PM
Nov 2014

of Jennifer Lawrence's character Katnis trying to protect the young girl Ru.

Ru reminded me of my own 9 -year-old daughter in looks and demeanor, and I had haunting thoughts of her trying to survive in some distopia.

I was really moved by that on-screen relationship, and this song makes me feel very protective of both my daughters. (6 yr too)

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
8. A friend of mine made over 3 million refinancing TS's properties back in 2011.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:43 AM
Nov 2014

My heart bleeds for the fact she is only 24.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
29. As someone who works within the music industry..
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 07:04 PM
Nov 2014

I can tell you that you are mistaken. Very, very little money is made off of selling music. Before the internet, artists would create an album and then tour to support the album, to try to increase sales. They would sell millions of copies. Now a Gold Record (500,000) is considered a smash success. Tours are where the money is. Some artists have figured this out. Some are slaves to the record companies who still think selling records is where it's at. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. Also Foo Fighters albums are available for free all over the internet, and I'm not talking about pirated copies so...


One other thing, Grohl has a reputation in the business as being one of the most generous, most kind, most easy going people out there. The only other artist on the road with even close to his rep is Bruce Springsteen. You can tell much about an artist by the way they treat the people who actually do the hard part. And Grohl's reputation couldn't be better.

And no I'm not a Foo or a Nirvana fan, just a guy who knows what it's like to be on the road.

Response to UglyGreed (Original post)

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
5. I did not like the Foo Fighters
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:35 AM
Nov 2014

since I'm a big Nirvana fan and when kurt died I lost interest in Grohl. But with this Sonic Highways series I have a new found respect for Grohl. Sell out or whatever I enjoy the series. I love music and the history behind it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
9. This from the asshole with a multi-part
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:53 AM
Nov 2014

thinly-disguised commercial for his lowest-common-denominator jock rock airing weekly on HBO. What an asshat.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
12. I don't care
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:29 AM
Nov 2014

I like to learn. I'll take information from where ever I can get it. I'll decide what I feel is worthwhile and what is BS.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
13. It is quite an interesting and well done show
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:15 PM
Nov 2014

that delves into the history of the music scene in each city they visit.
The Foo Fighters music doesn't appear until the end of each episode and the show can be enjoyed without liking the FF's song.
Grohl is doing a very good job IMHO.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
20. Not free but if you have Amazon prime
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:08 PM
Nov 2014

You can listen to every album except for 2 that you have to pay for.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
26. Actually ... He did ... He has ... He is ...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:37 PM
Nov 2014

Wasting Light was first released in the FF's website ... in total ... the whole album, free to listen at any time ...

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
11. I agree.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
Nov 2014

Artists who snub Spotify can take a hike.

She stood to earn millions a year in royalties from it alone.

Maybe she should stop parroting what the record company executives tell her to stay and look into it on her own.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
16. Dave Grohl has talent and has made music I want to listen to for decades.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:15 PM
Nov 2014

By contrast, I still don't know why Taylor Swift is famous. There is not one song of hers I find worthy of listening to, it's just generic bland pop. Maybe she knows her moment is almost over and wants to rake it in while her looks can still carry her.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
18. Yes. Even Burnett can't make her into something she isn't.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:44 PM
Nov 2014

There's nothing about her voice or music that grabs me in any way. She's a household name because the music industry has basically gone down the shitter and bland teen-girl emo pop is going to be one of the few genres that's left standing, apparently.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. No. That is not generic bland pop.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014

But it is nothing original either. She is a very good singer and performer, not all 2nd acts from Idol can say that. She is smart and taps into the same market as Carrie Underwood. Won't begrudge either one of them for smashing success.

At least artists make their money the honest way. They don't fuck up the economy on their way to wealth.

REP

(21,691 posts)
27. Dave Grohl has talent and I wanted to like his new band
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:52 PM
Nov 2014

I've given all of their albums a try, and while there's a few songs I like, overall I just don't enjoy them. I don't begrudge anyone else enjoying them or question their taste (anyone listening to something merely to impress others with their good taste is doing it wrong, anyway) - everybody likes different stuff.

I have to admit I haven't heard much Taylor Swift, but have somehow acquired random bits of trivia about her, and she seems like a pleasant and funny young woman.

It would be nice if Grohl, with his years of experience in a changing industry, had phrased his sentiments more constructively but then again, that's not his job. But still.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
24. I think Taylor Swift is a lovely beautiful woman..
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:22 PM
Nov 2014

... but musical or vocal talent? You could find what she does in any high school in the country IMHO.

But, I do not begrudge her success, she earned it and at the very least she is a hardworking, savvy businesswoman.

If there is a particular licensing arrangement she does not wish to participate in, that is her right.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
25. Yes she is lovely
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:30 PM
Nov 2014

and of course all artists are allowed to make a living, be it Miss Swift or Mr. Grohl. I think he should mind his own business, but I thought this was worth posting.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
30. Taylor's net worth is over $200 million
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:39 PM
Nov 2014

She's not starving.

She's part of the 1% complaining about not having enough money. Im sick of these rich artists who think they are entitled to a billion dollars because they write a fucking song. I've heard music that is infinitely better written by starving indie artists. And they at least care about the music and the people who listen to it...unlike the mass produced shit that the industry creates today.

She can pull out of Spotify. No one cares but Spotify. Anyone that really wants her album without paying will just pirate it now.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
32. I have better
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 10:24 PM
Nov 2014

people to hate like the Koch brothers for example. If Swift or Growl starts doing/acting those fellas then I will draw my bead on then.

Trekologer

(997 posts)
33. Why? It isn't like streaming services don't pay royalties
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:23 PM
Nov 2014

Streaming services pay about the same royalty as radio -- about 18 cents/1000 impressions. The reason that royalties are higher than streaming services is that radio is broadcast to many listeners at the same time while streaming services are just to one at a time. So the per-play royalty is lower on streaming services but that's only because there is only one impression for that play.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
36. I don't think most musicians see that money.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:39 PM
Nov 2014

I've been watching the discussions of local acts, and, they're not seeing that cash. Nor are most regional acts. There is a reason those folks are in her corner, which is an otherwise odd place for them to be.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
35. The only Sonic Highways episode I've seen so far is the one about Austin City Limits...
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:28 PM
Nov 2014

It was freaking awesome!

And I'm not anywhere near the music-head I used to be. I don't know much about any particular musician but I am a Foo Fighters fan and thing Grohl is a pretty cool dude.

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