Stir it up, little darlings!

condition. My brother was afraid that is anything happened to her they would lose their home to pay the bills. Along came Obamacare and now they are covered and no longer have to worry about that. He is able to cover their grandson as well!

The only agenda I have is to gain access to health CARE for myself and millions of other people. This is year eight with nothing for me and, like others, I tried and tried and jumped through all the hoops presented to me but could not get through the bureaucracy to obtain Obamacare.

Please stop blaming those of us who are still fighting for healthcare for all with your simplistic, hurtful accusation. Thanks.

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The insidious, racist agenda of the ACA critics. The horrors!

is not working. This is a discussion board and we're supposed to be able to discuss it. And Scuba, I'm surprised you used the old "perfect" canard. You're better than that.

... have benefited from the ACA.

millions who have benefited from the ACA. And I, for one, am happy for them. But please, let's not forget there are still millions of us out here for which it did nothing.

is what the conservadems use every time they want us to vote for someone just slightly to the left of John Birch. You've never struck me as a conservadem.

the perfect be the enemy of the good' was a phrase worn out by centrists demanding that LGBT people settle for Civil Unions and give up on equality and by centrists and conservatives to denigrate any form of progress sought by others or by the people as a whole.
Perfection is not a barrier. Mediocrity is a barrier. Complacency, a barrier. Lack of vision, a poison.

It's a canard because it is whipped out without regard for meaning, for accuracy or for empathy and it is used to mean this: Settle for less and thank me for it.
Do a DU search of 'don't let the perfect' and read some uses of the term and the regular mocking reaction gotten from it by those who think that cliches are the enemy of communication.

... a valuable maxim.

I am another of those left out, and I need no one's permission to say that I am very angry about that.

I'm a senior on Medicare and am truly in the dark about much of the ACA.

There are few choices on the exchange, and no subsidies. This is true for a number of other states as well, like FL and TX. These governors need to pay a heavy political price for this, but they don't.

from DUers that have received health care benefits through government exchanges and are totally dissatisfied. I have seen some posts that wish that the ACA was better and there will always be those like me who wish we could have single payer. But "wish in one hand and spit in the other-see which one fills first."

.. I see them all the time. There was one yesterday complaining that the premiums were rising from something like $80 to something like $280. I feel sorry that the person cannot afford it but where do you get insurance for even $280 a month. Right now without the ACA you could not touch any reasonable policy for less than $500 or $600 a month.

That said I am sure that some people did not get any help. I was for single payer from the get go and was and am still disappointed that Obama never seemed to lift a finger to make that happen.

But after all the dust has settled the ACA put coverage in reach to millions of people who had no chance before. I just hope the Republicans don't kill it.

heres the link, click 'see plans & prices', add your zip-code and how much you make per year- https://www.healthcare.gov/

Very important OP. Thank you!

It needs improvement. A few people here have had problems and posted about the problems they have had. That doesn't mean they hate it and want it gone.

at the expense of human beings who need care.

If most people understood how it is rigged, and how much is being stolen, they would be outraged. The mandate was a corporate wet dream - it ensures that obscene levels of money that should be going to health care instead are given as a cut to these thieving health insurance middlemen. It ensures continues spiraling costs. And it ensures a continued motive to deny care for profit.

I love your posts, Scuba. I am surprised to see you making this argument, too.

.. of how health care is paid for in this country could possible support what we have. I fully believe that the "insurance" system will eventually crumble of its own weight, but not until Americans pull their head out of their asses and get that what the rest of the world has really IS better than our system.

I basically believe in a "Medicare for all" style system. People love to bag on the government, but Medicare is a carefully devised system that does a pretty good job of paying providers without being easily gamed. That is no mean feat in an industry always looking for an angle to get paid more.

All that said, single payer is not happening today, tomorrow or next year. So the ACA is at least a help while we get there.

Why would I post on discussionist when they're already here anyway?

The 70% that are OK with their plan are OK with their plan - the status quo is acceptable.

The 30% aren't. So they're going to scream from the mountaintops. Add in the paid shills, and we get a constant stream of "Obamacare is screwing me over like a used car salesman".

One is the GOP Troll Army trying to win converts to "defund Obamacare". Good luck with that.

The other are people with genuine problems with the ACA who might get frustrated with the constant cheerleading (intended to defeat the GOP trolls) because it means their individual problems get ignored in the process. There are some terrible, nightmarish, problems out there. In California, there are people whose Medi-Cal applications haven't been processed a YEAR later because of bureaucratic backlog. There are problems with plan prices, out-of-network services, service denials within networks. I myself had a problem with being dropped from Medi-Cal for a month: there was no backup plan in the system for that.

When people like this get their problems hastily covered up by the cheerleaders, it just makes the horror of their situation worse, and it puts people in stressful situations under even more stress. So I think we should openly acknowledge that the ACA has problems.

And of course no one likes what a gift this is to Big Insurance and Big Pharma either.

When the ACA passed, those on the left reassured ourselves that this was the "first step". From here we would move to a "public option", to "single payer", to "medicare for all", ultimately to "universal healthcare". At every minute we should be asking ourselves what neighbor, family member, or friend do we want to deprive of health care with any clever "market gamification" plans? We should be striving for universal coverage NOW. We should be taking that promised "next step" NOW - before the GOP get enough critical mass to do serious damage.

1. The people surveyed have a choice between their ACA plan and nothing. Of course they are happy to not have nothing. Duh.

2. Of the duers who have Obamacare, the posts are at least 70% in favor, just like in the survey.

I am sympathetic to those who finally have something. Their relief enables them to ignore the fact that some group of American are paying for Big Insurance's ridiculous profit. Some of us prefer to not ignore that second part

There are only 3 nurse practitioners that accept ACA health plans in this county. This is Florida. I have yet to meet anyone in person who has benefited from ACA.