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napi21

(45,806 posts)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:22 PM Nov 2014

Did anyone watch "Real Time" with Mahar last night?

He interviewed Rand Paul. I know Raand's responses were political BS because he's running for Prez, but the things he said COULD capture the vote of a lot of people, Indies & Dems. Maybe some moderate Pubs if there are ay left.

He said things like We shouldn't be figiting in all the countries in the ME. All the dictators we've deposed ended up making matters worse and turned things into caos. He believes in global climate change and believes in restrictions on the poluting businesses, the thing he would do differently is to make arrangements to retrain any displaced workers who lost their jobs due to the restrictions. He said several other things that at least caught MY EAR!

I suspect with statements like that he's unlikely to get the Pub spot on the ticket, but if he somehow did, he sounds like a force to watch closely.

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Did anyone watch "Real Time" with Mahar last night? (Original Post) napi21 Nov 2014 OP
I've said before that there is no major politician on the left CJCRANE Nov 2014 #1
He is anti-choice. xxqqqzme Nov 2014 #2
^^^^ that onecaliberal Nov 2014 #3
Me, too Warpy Nov 2014 #4
I think the point is not the man himself CJCRANE Nov 2014 #6
Yep Old Nick Nov 2014 #5
Rand Paul is anti-environment gmb92 Nov 2014 #7
I realize he's a liar, but he seemed more moderate on that too last night. Hoyt Nov 2014 #9
Notice that no one is addressing the specific policies on drugs or war that he talks about. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #11
What are his specific policies on the legalization of cannabis, for example? My Democratic Senator Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #21
Thanks, good point. nt CJCRANE Nov 2014 #22
Well, there is this: Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #24
Last night he didn't talk about cannabis legalization, but did talk napi21 Nov 2014 #25
He lies... Spazito Nov 2014 #8
I agree none of us would vote for him, but those who voted for Republicans in the mid-terms might. Hoyt Nov 2014 #10
Republicans who are going to vote republican, it won't matter who the candidate is... Spazito Nov 2014 #13
I disagree with you on those who stayed home this past election. napi21 Nov 2014 #26
Would your husband vote for Rand Paul if he ran under the umbrella of... Spazito Nov 2014 #28
Probably wrong, but I just was stating he always votes for the dem candidate. napi21 Nov 2014 #31
I totally get what you're saying and understand the frustrations you're expressing... Spazito Nov 2014 #32
He has been going from one African American yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #19
A racist can talk to any organization, including black congregations... Spazito Nov 2014 #20
This........... AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #34
He already changed positions several times gwheezie Nov 2014 #12
Isn't Maher fredamae Nov 2014 #14
Rand Paul is dangerous kcjohn1 Nov 2014 #15
You're right, some of his stances would be fodder in the primaries. Rozlee Nov 2014 #16
Rand is a typical republidiot, preying on American ignorance. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #17
The votes from the so-called Indies & Dems that you're speaking of, if they do vote him... MrScorpio Nov 2014 #18
It's smarter to assume others are more like yourself, not buying bullshit just becuase it is Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #23
True - a lot of what he's saying lately resonates with people. Some will believe him... polichick Nov 2014 #27
Just Googled UglyGreed Nov 2014 #29
Classic Libertarian... sendero Nov 2014 #30
There's an old saying Oilwellian Nov 2014 #33
Presidents and nominees have a powerful and lasting influence on political parties... k2qb3 Nov 2014 #35

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. I've said before that there is no major politician on the left
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:24 PM
Nov 2014

who stands up for antiwar policies and I think that's a weakness (perhaps by design).

Furthermore, saying that is not an endorsement of Rand Paul.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
4. Me, too
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:31 PM
Nov 2014

but his words on ending the drug war will get him a lot of votes. It's very self serving of him to be against the drug war because one of Kentucky's biggest exports is that good old Smoky Mountains pot, much more lucrative than the old moonshine stills used to be.

He's still a snake with more deficits than advantages.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
6. I think the point is not the man himself
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:35 PM
Nov 2014

but why are there few politicians in the mainstream left who espouse commonsense policies on drugs and foreign intervention?

It gives us a false choice if those policy positions are only available mixed in with a RW social agenda.

gmb92

(57 posts)
7. Rand Paul is anti-environment
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:37 PM
Nov 2014

opposing pretty much any effort to reduce emissions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm#Energy_+_Oil

Didn't see his Maher interview, but no doubt he's trying to appeal to a progressive audience and talking out of both sides of his mouth. It is insulting.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
11. Notice that no one is addressing the specific policies on drugs or war that he talks about.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:51 PM
Nov 2014

If there was someone prominent on the left who had similar positions it wouldn't be an issue.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. What are his specific policies on the legalization of cannabis, for example? My Democratic Senator
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:20 PM
Nov 2014

and State Democratic Party just supported and helped pass an actual legalization of cannabis in Oregon. That's pretty specific. I've never ever heard Rand Paul say he favors legalized cannabis. His rhetoric here, among people who have actually accomplished a great deal of drug reform is seen as empty and slippery bullshit.
California just reduced penalties on a variety of small substance possession charges. Democrats did that. What has Rand done about that issue, specifically?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
24. Well, there is this:
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:09 PM
Nov 2014

"Exclusive: Booker and Paul Join Forces to Reform War on Drugs"

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-cory-booker-reform-the-war-drugs

"Rand Paul: Let DC Legalize Marijuana, If That's What the Voters Want"

http://blogs.rollcall.com/hill-blotter/rand-paul-let-d-c-legalize-marijuana-if-voters-want/?dcz=

"Rand Paul on Drugs"

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Rand_Paul_Drugs.htm

He is cosponsoring some drug reform bills. That's what senators do.

He is also talking up the racial impact of the drug war.

Some Democrats are beginning to take similar stands; Paul has partnered with Booker on one bill, with Leahy on another.

As for California's Prop 47, that was a voter-passed initiative. Democrats didn't do that; California voters did.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
25. Last night he didn't talk about cannabis legalization, but did talk
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:41 PM
Nov 2014

about penalties for cannabis penalties. He said that the current pennalties are way too harsh and the felony charge ruins lives forever. He said the penalty should be reduced to 6 months and be a misdemeanor. We spend way too much money on prisions and that move alone would save billions.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
8. He lies...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:41 PM
Nov 2014

He is the mirror image of his racist, isolationist father, he wants to roll back the Civil Rights Act and make the equivalent of the Woolworth lunch counter being for whites only. He believes private businesses should not come under the Civil Rights Act.

He is Libertarian through and through, his mantra is I've got mine, screw you, imo.

Naive people hear he's pro pot and anti war and don't actually look into the reality that he's pro legalization of pot but would support pharmaceuticals being in control of the sales and distribution of pot and he's anti war but pro militias, doesn't believe tax dollar should go to a national military but is all for state militias.

If he were to become the candidate, which is slim to none, imo, his own words and record would destroy him as credible, imo.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I agree none of us would vote for him, but those who voted for Republicans in the mid-terms might.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:44 PM
Nov 2014

More importantly, a lot who sat out the vote, might as well.

Point is, Dems need to have a candidate that is not the same ole stuff. I don't have the slightest idea who that is at this point.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
13. Republicans who are going to vote republican, it won't matter who the candidate is...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:53 PM
Nov 2014

if those who sat out the midterms vote republican then they are republicans anyway and weren't planning to vote for anyone on the left to begin with, imo.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
26. I disagree with you on those who stayed home this past election.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:47 PM
Nov 2014

My husband said over and over that he wasn't going to bother to vote because his "DEM" choices don't EVER win in Georgia! I of course wouldn't let him stay home. I'm positive he's not the only voter who just stayed home for that same reason. THEY didn't have someone like me in there house to boot them in the butt.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
28. Would your husband vote for Rand Paul if he ran under the umbrella of...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

the republican Presidential candidate? I suspect the answer would be not just NO, but HELL NO from what you say in your post although I could be mistaken.

How do "DEM" candidates stand a chance in Georgia if Democratic voters won't vote because the Democratic candidates don't ever win? They sure as heck aren't ever going to win if Dems stay home and don't vote. (I get that your husband did, due to your prodding, vote so my point isn't directed to voters who DID vote but to those who didn't using the reasoning your husband put to you.)

I'm curious as to why you put DEM in quotation marks ie "DEM"?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
31. Probably wrong, but I just was stating he always votes for the dem candidate.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:39 PM
Nov 2014

Another BIG problem here in Ga. is that beneath the office of Governor, & Senator, MOST of the time there are NO OPPONENTS running against the incumbant. I've sent dozens of emails & postcards to party leaders complaining about that, but apparently nobody cares.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
32. I totally get what you're saying and understand the frustrations you're expressing...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:45 PM
Nov 2014

If there are no Dem candidates to challenge the repub incumbents down ticket that is very frustrating. I've noticed, when checking election results, that is all too common.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
19. He has been going from one African American
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:43 PM
Nov 2014

Church to another talking with the congregation. I don't know of many racists who would do that. I think we should not underestimate him.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
20. A racist can talk to any organization, including black congregations...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
Nov 2014

and still be a racist. Because he talks to them doesn't mean they are buying his bullshit, they aren't.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
34. This...........
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:02 PM
Nov 2014

People want to call him a racist for some reason, I don't see it. I am not voting for him, but racism does not seem to be his issue.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
12. He already changed positions several times
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:52 PM
Nov 2014

he's running for president. He's been on both sides of issues depending on who he talks to. He has flipped flopped and flipped again. Where he has been fairly consistent is on drug laws but the rest of it nope. I think he's a lightweight I don't think he can hold up to confrontation. He tends to run away. He won't go back on Rachel. His thugs put a boot on the neck of a girl holding a friggin sign and he got up and ran from a dreamer when she approached him. He's got contempt for women. What I noticed in all these confrontations and during his hearing questioning of hillary he can't deal with women. There's something wrong with him when it comes to women.
If he does manage to get the nomination I think his problem with women will be obvious if he has to debate a woman.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
14. Isn't Maher
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:05 PM
Nov 2014

a Left-Libertarian? If I recall. I don't watch him anymore...but, Rand Pauls words sound absolutely wonderful. But, imo-it sounds so wonderful because He's done his homework, studied hard the Liberals/Progressives...and voila'!!!! Look and Listen to the "new" old Rand Paul.

I've already warned my grandkids who are of voting age or will be by then.


kcjohn1

(751 posts)
15. Rand Paul is dangerous
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:05 PM
Nov 2014

I would not expect him to govern any differently than other republicans but that doesn't matter in elections. Obama ran on progressive campaign but that is not how he governed.

If he runs on campaign to stop all wars (including drug) and is not outwardly racist he basically overcomes the toxicity that is the republican brand. I don't expect most democrats to vote for him but it will depress the vote. It will be hard for someone like Clinton to scaremongering voters into coming out to stop Paul presidency. We obviously know people aren't going to come out to vote for Democrats who give voters a reason to vote for something

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
16. You're right, some of his stances would be fodder in the primaries.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:08 PM
Nov 2014

His opponents wouldn't lose time painting him as weak on defense, a believer in climate 'junk science,' and relaxing drug laws is anathema to them. Most of them are in the pockets of the prison industries. Of course, there is the 'hold your nose and vote for the most likely winner' phenomenon that we saw when Mitt Romney won the nomination in 2012, despite the fact that many conservatives admitted to disliking him intensely.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
18. The votes from the so-called Indies & Dems that you're speaking of, if they do vote him...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:20 PM
Nov 2014

They'd be morons who were willing to be duped by a snake oil salesman. No one in their right mind would ever be fooled by Paul's bullshit, I know that I wouldn't.

What he's doing is called "pandering." Only people who are willing to be pandered to accepts it as it is.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. It's smarter to assume others are more like yourself, not buying bullshit just becuase it is
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Nov 2014

excreted. Many if not most of the folks who have a big fear of Rand Paul gaining the Presidency are sure that others are not as smart as they are. I hear that he's going to dupe the African Americans by going to all their churches, you see, and those marijuana smokers will just eat up his rhetoric about marijuana, they are so stupid and that's all any of them care about. And the young people, they hate war and when they hear anyone say they oppose war they will just believe it and nothing else will matter to them. It's always 'I see this, but that other group are a bunch of single issue chumps who will be easily duped'.
It's not a very appealing argument they make. It is not really 'Rand has chops to fear' so much as 'others are so stupid they are all going to love him if he says pot, church, peace'.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
27. True - a lot of what he's saying lately resonates with people. Some will believe him...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:53 PM
Nov 2014

He probably will lock up some indie votes.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
30. Classic Libertarian...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

... I've always thought that I agree about 100% with Libertarian philosophy, until you get to business, economics and taxation. Then I agree with them 0%.

I've never thought I could vote for one, and probably cannot, but getting half of what you want might be better than getting almost nothing.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
33. There's an old saying
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:57 PM
Nov 2014

"Show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are."

This was one of Rand Paul's top aides, Jack Hunter aka The Southern Avenger.




He was the co-author of Rand Paul’s 2011 book and acted as his social media director. The “Southern Avenger” admitted that he “raises a personal toast every May 10 to celebrate John Wilkes Booth’s birthday.” He also compared Lincoln to Saddam Hussein, and even suggested that, had the two ever met, Lincoln would’ve had a gay relationship with Adolf Hitler.

Adding insult to injury, he has advocated against Hispanic immigration and for white pride, letting his fans know that a “non-white majority America would simply cease to be America.”

Before that, Hunter was a pro-secession activist, acting as chairman in the League of the South which proudly boasts on its website that it “advocates the secession and subsequent independence of the Southern states from this forced union and the formation of a Southern republic.”

http://aattp.org/rand-pauls-team-has-yet-another-racist-antigovernment-secessionist/


Meet another ex Rand Paul aide with ties to white supremacy.

(ChattahBox)—The Kentucky Senatorial campaign of Libertarian Republican Rand Paul is getting off to a rocky start. On Thursday, Rand Paul son of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), accepted the resignation of Christopher Hightower, 37, after racist images and comments were discovered on Hightower’s MySpace page. One image showed a lynching, with a friend’s comment, “Happy Ni**** Day!” at the time of Martin Luther King Day. And several posts left by Hightower spoke of the reaction he received from “Afro-Americans” while wearing a KKK hoodie to the local mall.



Hightower’s dislike of “Afro-Americans” came to light after the liberal Kentucky blog, Barefoot and Progressive uncovered his old MySpace page. The site has now been scrubbed, but of course screen caps remain. Before Hightower became an aide to Rand Paul, he was the lead singer in a local heavy metal band, named Commander. Hightower specialized in songs about the devil and the Dark Lord’s satanic powers. The satanic heavy metal band had a MySpace page, with individual pages for band members. And that’s where Hightower’s fondness for racism and white supremacy survived on the Internet.

Rand Paul Aide Quits Over MySpace Racism, ‘Afro-Americans’ Have ‘KKK Radar’

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
35. Presidents and nominees have a powerful and lasting influence on political parties...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:09 PM
Nov 2014

Democrats followed Clinton into neoliberalism and the third way.

Republicans followed W right off the neoconservative cliff.

Rand Paul is a genuine, rather traditional libertarian IMO,(whatever your feelings on that are) attempting to remain viable in the Republican party. Of course he panders, how much of his pandering is to the right vs the left is an interesting question.

I don't see him as dangerous, Paul winning the R nomination and shaping the Republican party would be incredibly good for the country IMO.

Don't have to fear for the general if the Dem candidate offers better positions.

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