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by Leah Binder
In Maine, where I grew up, our number-one pastime is complaining about the weather. Yet we hate umbrellas and stubbornly never carry them. The rain inevitably comes, so many of us get wet.
As I travel the country attending health care conferences, the mere mention of high-deductible health plans (HDHPs) raises hackles. People instantly start opining that HDHPs are a terrible idea, or a great idea, or both. These debates, while interesting, divert attention from an unalterable fact: HDHPs are rapidly becoming the plans of choice for employers, for other purchasers of health benefits, and for public sector plans offered through state exchanges under the Affordable Care Act (ACA). In short, HDHPs have unleashed forces that will compel stakeholders to adjust to new realities and everyone will get wet.
A Primer on High-Deductible Plans
HDHPs are typically defined as plans with deductibles that exceed $1,200 for individuals or $2,400 for families. Employers often pair HDHPs with a tax-protected health savings account (HSA) that helps employees meet the deductible or, if they remain healthy, pocket the money as savings. According to the 2014 Employer Benefits Survey from the Kaiser Family Foundation/Health Research & Educational Trust (HRET), the average deductible for individual coverage paired with an HSA is $2,098 but 18% of workers have a deductible of $3,000 or more. For family coverage, deductibles average $4,059, and almost a third of covered workers have an aggregate deductible of at least $5,000. People enrolled in HDHPs pay for every dime of their care until they reach the deductible (with the exception of certain preventive services that plans are required to cover). That means the whole price for the MRI, the entire emergency room visit, and so on.
This makes for a potentially dramatic shift in patient behavior and thinking. In traditional plans, even if you have a deductible, you skim to the section of the bill that says patient responsibility. Its usually a nice, round copay like $25 or $50 the same predictable amount regardless of which services you received. In contrast, with an HDHP, the whole bill is yours to pay.
https://hbr.org/2014/11/dont-bother-complaining-about-high-deductible-health-plans
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Until we do something about the cost of care, not sure there is an alternative. And I'm not just talking health insurers.
madville
(7,412 posts)Many times it's a wash when compare deductibles and premiums.
My plan has a $5000 family deductible and my share is $210 a month. I could have a $500 deductible plan for roughly $600 a month. The higher deductible is the way to go because if nothing happens that year I just saved around $4500 in premiums. If something does happen then I'm out the extra $4500 in deductibles but at least I had a chance to save the money.
Going with the lower deductible plan guarantees I will pay the higher amount through premiums with no chance at saving any money.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)If you used an HSA to save much or all of that money, it could accumulate enough to the point where you wouldn't worry about meeting a deductible in a year that you had a high medical expense for some unseen reason. It could grow without being Federally taxed, and most states don't tax earnings in HSA's either.
Any money withdrawn from an HSA to pay a medical expense is not Federally taxed, ever. It's like being able to have 100% deductibility for your medical expenses on your taxes, even if you claim a standard deduction.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Due to my age, a high deductible plan is not really a good idea (older parts are starting to break, LOL), but it can be a good deal. A good friend works for a company that offers a high deductible plan, and the company pays a good portion of the premium and deposits $2500 a year into his HSA. He also adds a good amount to the HSA from what he saves in premiums.
He's at the point now where he has almost two years worth of deductibles saved, tax free, in his HSA.
moriah
(8,311 posts)If you already have chronic conditions, it's easier to manage than to try to essentially pay cash the entire time.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It should be against the law for a doctor to charge out of area rates when you are in a in area hospital. ACA is good it just needs adjusted in some areas.
unrepentant progress
(611 posts)Patients don't tolerate confusing bills. The bills are confusing precisely because the insurance companies demanded a complex and confusing system of medical coding.
And anybody who assumes a patient admitted to ER or facing down a potentially deadly illness or who's in excruciating pain is in the proper state of mind to have a rational conversation about pricing doesn't understand human cognition and decision making.
Then there's the technocratic attempts at influencing behavior through pricing, such as what happened recently with flexeril. Because doctors were seen to be over-prescribing muscle relaxants for little old ladies CMS instituted a system which rewards insurance companies for not paying for muscle relaxant prescriptions, thus meaning *everybody* has to pay more, or go without thus extending the length of time they're in agony, and possibly out of work.
What total codswallop. Dog preserve us from neoliberal technocrats.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)about healthcare pricing. The only more confusing area where different people pay different prices for the same thing is in the airline industry. But at least people know how much they're committing to pay for that round-trip ticket before they hit the "confirm" button, even if it is hundreds of dollars higher or lower than the person who will be in the seat next to them.
I used to work at a manufacturer/distributor of surgical scopes, and one of my first jobs was to work in the price quote department. The same equipment had totally different prices for at least a dozen groups of customers, and there were other rules that then changed quoted prices on top of that for various circumstances. It showed me what a crazy labyrinth medical pricing was, and that was just on the supply end of things.
The ACA should have dealt with this, and hopefully any revisions to it will do just that.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)(Please note I left the insurance corp(se).)
It absolutely is too complex and too far removed from the patient and provider.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I know here in Massachusetts we have a law that just went into effect that makes insurance companies reveal costs of procedures. An MRI can vary in cost between different facilities by over $1,000 for an MRI of the same body part.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/11/05/360351551/how-much-is-that-mri-really-massachusetts-shines-a-light
In most cases an MRI isn't needed as an emergency. I have had at least 5 MRIs, none of which I couldn't have waited and gone to a different place to get.
Yes there are plenty of medical procedures where you don't have time to shop around and there are certainly procedures you want to go to the best doctor you can for (as somebody about to go through a major knee surgery I went to the best clinic in my area for that surgery).
But in my case, where I'm in constant pain from a knee that has cartilage that looks like swiss cheese, I had the presence of mind to do my research on the doctor and on the procedure. Because while yes, he's the one with the M.D., at the end of the day, it's still my knee and I'm damn sure going to know what he's going to do to it and if the research says it's the right choice. So I took the time to teach myself about the procedure about the outcomes, why less major procedures like microfracture wouldn't help in my case. Because at the end of the day, I have to make the best decision based on the evidence, not just somebody else's say so, especially considering just the rehab from my surgery will take well more than a year and that's if everything goes well.
But most things aren't life threatening. So why not put consumers in a position to make educated decisions about their health? I couldn't imagine not wanting to know as much as I could given that it's my body.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Once you're admitted to a hospital, you can't very well say "I'd like to have my MRI performed at the hospital across town." Barring some life-threatening condition that demands you be transported elsewhere, you're stuck with the equipment and personnel available at the site, along with the pricing.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)"Patients don't tolerate confusing bills. The bills are confusing precisely because the insurance companies demanded a complex and confusing system of medical coding."
Exactly.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)are an opportunity to save away the difference between the out of pocket premium for them, versus the out of pocket premium for a low deductible plan. They still provide for an annual checkup, and that's about all that most younger, healthier people will need.
I'll be 59 in two days, and I've got over $11K saved up in my HSA. I'll admit, I'm pretty lucky, and have only one health issue that I treat on a daily basis, with a pill that costs less than a dollar a day from a Canadian pharmacy. But I'd bet that a lot of folks in their twenties and thirties could start laying some money down in an HSA to cover things that come up later.
Let's imagine that auto insurance covered oil changes, tire replacements, and replacements of winshield wipers and air filters. How much would that cost, after running those things through the bureaucracy of an insurance company? Frankly, I hope I don't have to use my auto insurance, other than getting a piece of paper to show to a cop, and that keeps my cost for it down. Most people who have health insurance seem to need to 'use' it as often as possible to feel that they're getting something from it.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Also having millions of customers think "might as well get this done, after all, it's free"
I like the high deductible plans. I think that is what insurance should be for - preventive and catastrophic. And not run of the mill expenses. It is kind of taking a chance though, because the high deductible plan is only saving me about $15 a month (and saving my employer $15 a month as well).
I think the only difference though, as I remember it, is $1,000 in out of pocket costs.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)between high and low deductible. Maybe your employer needs to do some shopping around.
I don't mind having a "do nothing" policy, but at least I want it to be considerably cheaper than one that is going to spend mountains of money on an army of bureaucrats that will fight with my doctor over a few dimes.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)our three plan choices are
UHC 90/70 - $725.42
UHC 86/60 - $681.41
UHC HD90/60 - $641.88
For a full time single worker, employer will pay for 100% of 80/60, for a part-timer they will pay 50%. For a full time worker with a family, employer will pay $367.63 per month more, although the employee is still left paying $349.68 per month. For an employee covering a spouse, employer will pay $267.38 per month more.
meaculpa2011
(918 posts)Low deductible plans just force you to pre-pay your deductible upfront whether get sick or not.
The insurance companies love them.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)for my thoughts on the subject. It seems that there are a few folks here who want everything covered all the time, for a fully subsidized premium. That's just not going to happen.
msongs
(67,420 posts)part of licensing requirements
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The hospital where I work is not the cheapest -- but it was rated #1 in patient safety by Consumer Reports out of 2500 hospitals in the US. (There were 2500 or so other hospitals not included in the ratings because they couldn't verify their data.)
Our ED has also been rated #1 in the past for patient safety.
Certainly I would think you would want to take that into account, especially for dealing with a life-threatening condition. Do you want to go to more expensive Hospital A, that scored 65%, or cheap, cheap Hospital B, that scored 28%?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)in the "How To Weather The Storms of Change" section, the author has advice for all the stakeholders EXCEPT the patients: providers, policy makers, and employers.
The actual people needing care? No advice for how to deal with those high deductibles. So we will continue avoiding care to avoid the deductibles, while still paying for insurance that we can't afford to use.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I know I'll be using my ins. I have to see a doctor every 2-3 months for psych meds. I have two medications that I get refilled monthly and I know I will be on for a long time. So, is it better for me to have the lower deductible plan? My choices are zero, $500, $1250, and $2000. I've had the zero deductible for a while but it is now about to change to an over $500 monthly premium. My brain is getting confused trying to figure out the numbers here, lol. Thanks if anyone can offer some insight
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Yes, you list the deductibles, but what are the monthly premiums for the various levels? How much are your doctor visits, and how much do your meds cost (before insurance)? Have you investigated buying these meds from a Canadian pharmacy?
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I'm still crunching numbers
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though they also come with free preventive care, so there's that, but if you're regularly approaching your deductible with a bronze plan you're pretty much definitely going to save money with a silver one.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm required by law to give hundreds of dollars a month to a private corporation, for a completely shitty product I can't afford to use.
What's to complain about, eh bucko?
edhopper
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