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FDR Too Radical For Today's Democratic Party. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 OP
Absolutely, if you mean the party leaders. Our party has been hijacked by neocons. Scuba Nov 2014 #1
Yeah, that's why so few people turn out for Democrats in off years. Warpy Nov 2014 #2
Indeed. Nt xchrom Nov 2014 #3
The corporate PTB and MSM don't want a strong leader CJCRANE Nov 2014 #4
THe repubs wouldn't like Teddy, either. logosoco Nov 2014 #5
I'd say the arrangements where fairly rough even then and didn't even hold in real time. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #7
History matters treestar Nov 2014 #6
FDR used to conduct major speeches in union halls to enthusiastic crowds. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #8
Exactly - now Democrats like Bill and Hillary charge $250K a pop for speeches. It isn't a matter whereisjustice Nov 2014 #16
In the next election the Republicans will focus on winning back the Country Western crowd. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #25
FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights proves that ErikJ Nov 2014 #9
Today's Democratic Party Would Never Run On Such A Communist Agenda. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 #11
Without a doubt RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #10
"I welcome their hatred" Faygo Kid Nov 2014 #12
So would.... Chasstev365 Nov 2014 #13
And Nixon would be too liberal for today's Republican Party. The really, really scary thing is whereisjustice Nov 2014 #14
Never forget FDR or Vice President Wallace Burf-_- Nov 2014 #15
Nah wyldwolf Nov 2014 #17
And of course he sent Japanese Americans to concentration camps. n/t totodeinhere Nov 2014 #18
other similar things wyldwolf Nov 2014 #19
Wow loyalsister Nov 2014 #26
Yeah, you've been spamming DU with the same anti-FDR agitprop brentspeak Nov 2014 #30
Well Brent, when you can disprove anything I've written let us know wyldwolf Nov 2014 #31
Harry Truman was very good at "giving them hell". asjr Nov 2014 #20
Come on - Eisenhower would be too radical for the democratic party today. n/t. airplaneman Nov 2014 #21
And Nixon would be too moderate for today's Republican Party Martin Eden Nov 2014 #22
By a mile Doctor_J Nov 2014 #23
Those Economic Royalists resurfaced and are wealthier than ever from 35 years of appalachiablue Nov 2014 #24
It's his lacking in electability (sarcasm) (nt) Babel_17 Nov 2014 #27
Yep ...he had his "turn". L0oniX Nov 2014 #28
Which is why they murdered the Kennedy brothers gyroscope Nov 2014 #29
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. Absolutely, if you mean the party leaders. Our party has been hijacked by neocons.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Nov 2014

The rank-and-file, on the other hand ...

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
4. The corporate PTB and MSM don't want a strong leader
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:42 PM
Nov 2014

in America or anywhere else.

Any leader that sticks up for their country's interests is by definition a threat to corporate global domination.

That's why we see the constant tactics at home and abroad of division, demonization and destabilization.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
5. THe repubs wouldn't like Teddy, either.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:43 PM
Nov 2014

Funny how that was so long ago, but they seemed to be more progressive than we are now.
The Roosevelts had this country on a good track, and now look where we are!

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
7. I'd say the arrangements where fairly rough even then and didn't even hold in real time.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

Teddy was only marginally a fit even then.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. History matters
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

Those times made people more open to government being involved in the economy as a new thing. He would be shocked at what we have now and consider it practically communist

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
16. Exactly - now Democrats like Bill and Hillary charge $250K a pop for speeches. It isn't a matter
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:41 PM
Nov 2014

of liberal or conservative. It is a matter of money and who has the most.

The Democrat and Republican leadership are in a struggle to the death in an effort represent the richest 1% of the US, rewarding themselves with looted treasure like scabietic pirates.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
9. FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights proves that
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

He said: “This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights… They were our rights to life and liberty. As our Nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.” But, he continued: “We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. ‘Necessitous men are not free men.’” And evoking Jefferson and Lincoln, Roosevelt contended that, “In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident,” and, “We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.” This Second Bill of Rights included, he proffered:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.

In sum, he stated, “All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.”

The vision and aspirations articulated by FDR and fought for by those whom we have come to call the Greatest Generation continue to resonate in American hearts and minds. It is up to liberals, progressives, and radicals to encourage their fellow Americans — starting with Obama and the Democrats — to pursue them.

http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/fdr-s-second-bill-rights-necessitous-men-are-not-free-men

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
11. Today's Democratic Party Would Never Run On Such A Communist Agenda.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:03 PM
Nov 2014

Today employees rights and fair pay are too communistic. When I mention the 2nd economic bill of rights people look at me like I am from another planet. Most voters today probably would NOT support such an outlandish thing. Too bad because what FDR proposed in 1947 and Teddy proposed in 1912 is exactly what workers should be DEMANDING.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
10. Without a doubt
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:01 PM
Nov 2014

Roosevelt tried to push through a top tax rate of 100 percent -- in other words, an income limit. Ultimately, the Republicans compromised, which led to top tax rates in the nineties that continued into the Eisenhower administration.

He pushed through Social Security and the GI Bill during tough economic times, courageous examples of deficit spending that educated the public, lifted people out of poverty, allowed Americans to retire with dignity, and created a robust middle class.

Scary guy.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
13. So would....
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:25 PM
Nov 2014

Truman, JFK, LBJ, RFK and anyone who was still defending the New Deal! For that matter, Ike would be a communist and Richard Nixon would be a flaming liberal in the Republican Party of today. With Citizens United, there is no end in sight of the madness.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
14. And Nixon would be too liberal for today's Republican Party. The really, really scary thing is
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:33 PM
Nov 2014

just think where we'll be 10 - 20 years from now.

My god, how could you do this to your own children?

It's incomprehensible. If there is a failure in our education system, it is this.

The US is an authoritarian monster out of control.

 

Burf-_-

(205 posts)
15. Never forget FDR or Vice President Wallace
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:41 PM
Nov 2014

"It may be shocking to some people in this country to realize that, without meaning to do so, they hold views in common with Hitler when they preach discrimination against other religious, racial or economic groups."

Vice President Henry A. Wallace

"A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends."

VP Henry A. Wallace

"The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism."

VP Henry A. Wallace

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" Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

VP Henry A. Wallace


"What we must understand is that the industries, processes, and inventions created by modern science can be used either to subjugate or liberate. The choice is up to us."

VP Henry A. Wallace


wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
17. Nah
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:42 PM
Nov 2014

He did what he did as a reaction to his times. He was a one percenter and would have no reason to take similar actions today.

Besides, he cut deals with white segregationists, promising not to pursue civil rights policies if they backed his New Deal. The New Deal pretty much ignored African Americans? The social security act, for example, didn't cover domestic or agriculture workers - the bulk of which were filled by African Americans.

He cut deals to help ensure his re-elections. For example, he refused to sign anti-lynching laws, saying that doing so might cause him to lose re-election.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
19. other similar things
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:13 PM
Nov 2014

He forcefully deported several hundred thousand Mexican Americans, both immigrants and citizens, living in the Southwest.

How about the the passenger ship St. Louis - a boat of Jews fleeing from the Nazis into the United States. When the ship approached the coast of Florida with nearly a thousand German Jews fleeing Hitler, Roosevelt wouldn't respond to telegrams from passengers requesting asylum, and the State Department refused entry to the ship. Forced to return to Antwerp, many of the passengers eventually died in concentration camps.

Hey, I think FDR shepherded the US out of the great depression and was a great president. Liberals shouldn't fool themselves that he was perfect.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
26. Wow
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:28 PM
Nov 2014

I didn't know that history. He was a friend to workers, but when the League of The Physically Handicapped protested being denied employment by the WPA because of their disabilities, FDR looked the other way.
I think we should be aware of the flaws of our heroes. The best lesson is to take notice of context so that we remember to keep it in mind in the present and future.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
30. Yeah, you've been spamming DU with the same anti-FDR agitprop
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:38 PM
Nov 2014

Especially laughable is is this: "He did what he did as a reaction to his times. He was a one percenter and would have no reason to take similar actions today," which even the fools over at the DLC-created Progressive Policy Institute would be too embarrassed to claim. Proves yet again how the Internet's primary weakness is that it gives nimrods the world over a platform.

A more intelligent take on FDR and civil rights:



http://millercenter.org/president/fdroosevelt/essays/biography/8

There can be little doubt, however, that the New Deal in many instances was a boon to African Americans. In one sense, this was a question of degree. Aid to African-Americans prior to 1933, especially in the South, had been nearly non-existent; the federal help that did come with the New Deal, therefore, was significant. In addition, New Deal agencies like the WPA, the Public Works Administration (PWA), and the Farm Security Administration (FSA) grew more sensitive throughout the 1930s to the needs of African-Americans, largely because of the leadership of Roosevelt appointees at those agencies. Indeed, African Americans found significant allies in the administration, from Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes to the First Lady herself, Eleanor Roosevelt. Enough blacks, like Mary McLeod Bethune, found themselves in leadership positions that there was even talk of a "black Cabinet" of FDR advisers.

Roosevelt's approach towards civil rights legislation was janus-faced. FDR spoke out against lynching, found the poll tax reprehensible, and, at the prodding of his wife, met in the White House with African American civil rights leaders. FDR, though, refused to make an anti-lynching bill a priority, though, in truth, opposition ot the legislation was so strong that it never had a chance. In his defense, FDR claimed—and he was probably correct—that endorsing legislation which threatened the South's racial order would cost him the votes of Southerners in Congress—support he desperately needed.

snip

Spurred by the U.S. crusade against Nazism, black advocates of civil rights called for a "double V" campaign that would bring victories against fascism abroad and racism at home. The war years saw the growth of black organizations, like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the Committee (later Congress) for Racial Equality, dedicated to winning civil rights at home. Blacks even met with some success; during the summer of 1941, A. Philip Randolph threatened the Roosevelt administration with a 100,000 person "March on Washington" if discrimination was not ended in the military and the defense industries. Roosevelt capitulated and issued an Executive Order creating a Fair Employment Practices Commission (FEPC).

Roosevelt's performance, then was deeply flawed, but blacks rendered their own verdict when in 1936 they abandoned their historic allegiance to the Republicans, the party of Abe Lincoln, and moved in large numbers over to the Democrats, the party of FDR, where they have been ever since. One of Roosevelt's severest critics, Ralph Bunch, said the FDR era "represented a radical break with the past," and W.E.B. Du Bois concluded that Roosevelt "gave the American Negro a kind of recognition in political life which the Negro had never before received."

Contrast that with Bill and Hillary's Wall St.- friendly policies (including NAFTA, China MFN, and financial sector deregulation), which have merely resulted in the job losses, lost homes, and bankruptcies of millions of African-Americans (along with the rest of the American working/middle class).

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
31. Well Brent, when you can disprove anything I've written let us know
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Until then you can keep living in poutrage and denial.

Martin Eden

(12,871 posts)
22. And Nixon would be too moderate for today's Republican Party
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:46 PM
Nov 2014

Historical perspective shows how far the goal posts have been moved to the right.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. By a mile
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:03 PM
Nov 2014

The current party, including many in the rank and file, think mandatory for-profit health "insurance" is the greatest and most liberal legislation ever. A guaranteed pension would be laughed out of hate radio land AND the BOG.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
24. Those Economic Royalists resurfaced and are wealthier than ever from 35 years of
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:21 PM
Nov 2014

destroying what FDR and others achieved to make this country strong and great. The decline, inequality and human misery created by Reaganomics and neoliberal economic policies will rescind, sooner than later. It's a mathematical equation; oppression of the people by extremes=change and renewal. What a beautiful thing, the resilience and strength of the American people. Admired worldwide is the American ability to move forward in the course of human progress in the name of democracy. Thank you Franklin and Eleanor!

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
29. Which is why they murdered the Kennedy brothers
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:18 AM
Nov 2014

the right-wing could not tolerate another FDR-type president standing up to them.

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