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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:27 PM Nov 2014

House Vote in Favor of the Keystone XL Pipeline an Act of War

Rosebud, SD – In response to today’s vote in the U.S. House of Representatives to authorize the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, the Rosebud Sioux Tribal President announced that the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) recognizes the authorization of this pipeline as an act of war.

The Tribe has done its part to remain peaceful in its dealings with the United States in this matter, in spite of the fact that the Rosebud Sioux Tribe has yet to be properly consulted on the project, which would cross through Tribal land, and the concerns brought to the Department of Interior and to the Department of State have yet to be addressed.

“The House has now signed our death warrants and the death warrants of our children and grandchildren. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe will not allow this pipeline through our lands,” said President Scott of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. “We are outraged at the lack of intergovernmental cooperation. We are a sovereign nation and we are not being treated as such. We will close our reservation borders to Keystone XL. Authorizing Keystone XL is an act of war against our people.”

In February of this year, the Rosebud Sioux Tribe and other members of the Great Sioux Nation adopted Tribal resolutions opposing the Keystone XL project.

http://lakotavoice.com/2014/11/15/house-vote-in-favor-of-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-an-act-of-war/

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House Vote in Favor of the Keystone XL Pipeline an Act of War (Original Post) peoli Nov 2014 OP
I stand with them. They are true warriors larkrake Nov 2014 #1
Same here. polichick Nov 2014 #2
Add me to the list. Kath1 Nov 2014 #30
We get the tar sands pollution only to pile on them.Means the end of our planet. bjobotts Nov 2014 #38
I agree. Kath1 Nov 2014 #41
As do I. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #6
me too. ^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #51
Count me in! joshdawg Nov 2014 #45
+ another Scuba Nov 2014 #58
Good for them! The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #3
It is an act of war. Obama must stand with the Rosebud Sioux Tribe Autumn Nov 2014 #4
The Native American need no further tutoring on the fact that the US government speaks with 1monster Nov 2014 #5
word! nt G_j Nov 2014 #8
excellent response heaven05 Nov 2014 #7
First inhabitants Thespian2 Nov 2014 #9
I remember when Ed Schultz was covering this for months during the spring BumRushDaShow Nov 2014 #10
Canada may not build Keystone martigras Nov 2014 #11
Good DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #13
Why don't they take the shortest route = west? femmocrat Nov 2014 #14
The route east is relatively flat Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #16
That is what I assumed, but you never know. femmocrat Nov 2014 #17
Concerns about tanker traffic off the inside passage, too daleo Nov 2014 #28
Oh - the Canadian First Nations ("Idle No More") have done incredible work on this issue. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #31
The fight against that route is as fierce as the fight against Keystone... Spazito Nov 2014 #18
Cuz the Koch bros wouldn't make tens of billions from it. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #34
Winner BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #64
Or to Hudsons Bay, ie Churchill, Manitoba. Shorter and downhill, and very low population density. Electric Monk Nov 2014 #40
So, won't this make any vote... ReRe Nov 2014 #29
Get out of the business of selling oil? Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #36
Thank you! ReRe Nov 2014 #37
I'll just quote your statement back at you... blackspade Nov 2014 #54
I may be the map version of a grammar nazi, but isn't Toronto a bit misplaced in that map? NBachers Nov 2014 #42
Gateway is nearly done for too arikara Nov 2014 #65
Love it!!!!!!!!!!! ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #12
When Elizabeth Warren leads her Democratic party in the vote, it's going to be interesting... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #46
People on DU are now saying Warren has 'assumed control' of the Dem party wyldwolf Nov 2014 #49
Here's another article - and Rosebud Sioux Tribe Website LiberalElite Nov 2014 #19
Acts pf HIGH Treason. father founding Nov 2014 #52
I also stand with them! n/t Duval Nov 2014 #20
I Stand with the Rosebud Sioux People! handmade34 Nov 2014 #21
I stand with the Native Americans! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #22
A hearty K&R! Owl Nov 2014 #23
K & R for the Rosebud Sioux! mountain grammy Nov 2014 #24
I support the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. tclambert Nov 2014 #25
Gonna have to fight the DEMS, and probably Obama too! They're all owned by the 1%, or on loan, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #26
I am on the Rosebud Sioux's side on this. bravenak Nov 2014 #27
I'd love to see a campaign started in support of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe davidpdx Nov 2014 #32
One more obama war. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #33
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2014 #35
Touche! midnight Nov 2014 #50
k&r... spanone Nov 2014 #39
What a horrible betrayal!! Is there a list of Dems who supported this? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #43
People of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, defacto7 Nov 2014 #44
A protest? They have... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #66
These Sovereign Nation Issues Involving Native Peoples LarryNM Nov 2014 #47
Mahalo Rosebud Sioux Tribe! We're behind You! Cha Nov 2014 #48
They have my support. blackspade Nov 2014 #53
Sing it fadedrose Nov 2014 #55
What they gona fight with? Subversion? lonestarnot Nov 2014 #56
War? If only they would it would be a great lesson for the right wing loonies to watch and see how Township75 Nov 2014 #57
They cannot because the actions against them are not "peaceful protest", even if that is their TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #59
So each use of eminent domain is an act of war? Township75 Nov 2014 #60
Risk or destruction of water supply is every time, the threat is existential in nature. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #61
Why not just... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #67
YES turbinetree Nov 2014 #62
Possible problem with NAFTA overriding Tribal Rights though.... glinda Nov 2014 #63
 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
38. We get the tar sands pollution only to pile on them.Means the end of our planet.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:21 PM
Nov 2014

Obama came out and said no jobs created from it, gas goes to China and we get nothing but the pollution that never goes away. We cannot stand by and just watch as a few wealthy people destroy our planet. We must stop this at all costs so add me to the roll also plus where to stand to block them.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
5. The Native American need no further tutoring on the fact that the US government speaks with
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:50 PM
Nov 2014

forked tongue... That all treaties made by the US Government with any Native American tribe is law only as long as the US Government says.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. excellent response
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:11 PM
Nov 2014

by the First americans. I hope they screw up the plan(s) of the greed machine called amerikan style capitalism, badly.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
9. First inhabitants
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

of this land. More power to you in your battle against the hated pipeline. Please blow up all pipeline and all pipeline equipment that infringes upon your sovereign nation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,118 posts)
10. I remember when Ed Schultz was covering this for months during the spring
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:39 PM
Nov 2014

and visited the Rosebud Sioux both on their reservation and when they setup a protest camp in D.C..... and supposedly, the permit for TC to have the pipeline go through SD (including across the reservation) has expired, meaning TC would have to reapply for a new permit in SD (delaying it further).

http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/watch/keystone-permit-about-to-expire-in-sd-291091011643

martigras

(151 posts)
11. Canada may not build Keystone
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:43 PM
Nov 2014

Keystone XL Dies Quietly As Canada Approves Alternate Proposal
Author: Nathaniel Downes October 14, 2014 12:14 pm

In what may be the death knell for the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, the Canadian government of Stephen Harper has approved a purely Canadian pipeline to transport the Alberta tar sands to ships waiting to send it overseas. By eliminating the pipeline which would run across the nations largest aquifer, the environmental concerns raised over Keystone XL would evaporate immediately. It handily avoids the aquifers in Canada to boot, being east of the Paskapoo Formation in Alberta, running north of the Oak Ridges Moraine Aquifer System near Toronto, and ending before reaching the Annapolis-Cornwallis Valley Aquifers in Nova Scotia. Clearly, TransCanada has learned from its mistakes in the handling of Keystone XL.

The name of this Keystone XL killer pipeline? Energy East.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
31. Oh - the Canadian First Nations ("Idle No More") have done incredible work on this issue.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:27 PM
Nov 2014

Thanks for the link.

Spazito

(50,371 posts)
18. The fight against that route is as fierce as the fight against Keystone...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:01 PM
Nov 2014

and is being led by First Nations as it is their land that is needed for the pipeline.

Northern Gateway pipeline's next battle is in the courts

"This fight here in British Columbia is transitioning from the fundamentally flawed Joint Review Panel process into the courts," said Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs Grand Chief Stewart Phillip.

There are already five lawsuits challenging the findings of the joint National Energy Board and Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency body that looked into the feasibility of the project.

Two of those cases were launched by environmental groups that allege scientific and legal errors made in the decision.

"If these legal challenges are successful, then they will in effect overturn the entire process and it would have to start again," said Tzeporah Berman of Forest Ethics Advocacy, a group involved in one of the lawsuits. And, in the meantime, she warns, the Federal Court of Appeal could put a moratorium on the Northern Gateway project, essentially delaying it.

The other three cases were brought by B.C. First Nations that didn't feel adequately consulted. And they are the ones that worry Ottawa the most.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/northern-gateway-pipeline-s-next-battle-is-in-the-courts-1.2678741

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
40. Or to Hudsons Bay, ie Churchill, Manitoba. Shorter and downhill, and very low population density.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
Nov 2014

The pipeline to Texas only ever made sense to Texans.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
29. So, won't this make any vote...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:50 PM
Nov 2014

... in our Senate moot? This article sounds like Keystone XL is no more, that it will run instead across Canada and be called "Energy East." It makes absolutely no sense, whether it comes down thru the US or East across Canada. It should be run to the west coast of Canada, mountains or no mountains. Either that or leave it in the ground & just get out of the business, period.

 

Legalequilibrium78

(103 posts)
36. Get out of the business of selling oil?
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:05 PM
Nov 2014

What do you drive? Does is not run on liquid fuel? The fact is that until the almost 250 million cars in this country, stop using petrol to run those vehicles, the use and need of liquid fuel is a necessity we can't live without. Notwithstanding the thousands upon thousands of job that it brings in this country, that are directly and indirectly related to liquid fuel commodity. What you just said is one of the most elitist, deluded and stupid statement anybody can make.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
54. I'll just quote your statement back at you...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:00 AM
Nov 2014

As you seem to have serious lack of knowledge about how the oil and gas industry actually works....

"What you just said is one of the most elitist, deluded and stupid statement anybody can make."

arikara

(5,562 posts)
65. Gateway is nearly done for too
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:30 PM
Nov 2014

There is so much opposition and it was so badly handled that the current project manager is quitting and they say the expected 2018 startup is no more. The natives have permanent blockade camps set up on their lands and they aren't letting anyone through. Broke people like me send them money to help support them when we can and if it comes time to physically be on the line there are thousands of us who have promised to be there. I believe Gateway is dead, and I hope the same for Keystone.

We are also fighting is a Kinder Morgan tarsands pipeline ending in Vancouver, this one is trickier because they already have an old one in place.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
15. When Elizabeth Warren leads her Democratic party in the vote, it's going to be interesting...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:53 PM
Nov 2014

... how things go down.

Response to wyldwolf (Reply #15)

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
49. People on DU are now saying Warren has 'assumed control' of the Dem party
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:10 AM
Nov 2014


If they're right - whatever happens, Warren owns.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
19. Here's another article - and Rosebud Sioux Tribe Website
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:02 PM
Nov 2014
http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2014/11/14/rosebud-sioux-tribe-house-vote-in-favor-of-the-keystone-xl-an-act-of-war/

-snip-
Rosebud, SD – November 14, 2014: In response to today’s vote in the U.S. House of Representatives to authorize the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, the Rosebud Sioux Tribal president announced that the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) recognizes the authorization of the this pipeline as an act of war.

The tribe has done its part to remain peaceful in its dealing with the United States in this matter, in spite of the fact that the Rosebud Sioux Tribe has yet to be properly consulted on the project, which would cross through tribal land, and the concerns brought to the Department of Interior and to the Department of State have yet to be addressed.
-snip-

http://www.rosebudsiouxtribe-nsn.gov/



 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
26. Gonna have to fight the DEMS, and probably Obama too! They're all owned by the 1%, or on loan,
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:07 PM
Nov 2014

with an option to buy.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. I am on the Rosebud Sioux's side on this.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:12 PM
Nov 2014

The pipeline means death for them. It is an act of War. They need to sue for peace with congress. If they need to close the border against the oil company terrorists it is only in self defense.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
32. I'd love to see a campaign started in support of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:37 PM
Nov 2014

I know very little about them, but it would be nice if a multi-pronged campaign was started to not only make people aware that the pipeline would be going through their land, but to stop it. Social media could be a great help in doing that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. What a horrible betrayal!! Is there a list of Dems who supported this?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:56 AM
Nov 2014

The Lame Duck Congress, one of the most dangerous times for the people.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
44. People of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:57 AM
Nov 2014

If they need reinforcements, I would consider heading up there for a protest.

LarryNM

(493 posts)
47. These Sovereign Nation Issues Involving Native Peoples
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:20 AM
Nov 2014

May prove to be of Preeminent Importance to the U.S. and Others in the coming decades.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
57. War? If only they would it would be a great lesson for the right wing loonies to watch and see how
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:28 AM
Nov 2014

Futile waging an actual war against the U.S. government would be.

Yeesh didn't they try this war against the U.S. already and that is why they are on reservations?

Why not just call it what it will be which is at most peaceful protest and that is only if someone in the tribe doesn't find a way to make money off of it like a casino?

Oh and I stand by them too in this War if by stand by you mean and home on my couch with a hot drink typing on du in comfort and not really standing with them by actually doing anything to stop this.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
59. They cannot because the actions against them are not "peaceful protest", even if that is their
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:51 AM
Nov 2014

response it doesn't make the other side less guilty of an act of war.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
60. So each use of eminent domain is an act of war?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:09 AM
Nov 2014

Not sure of the govt is using Ed here but the use would be very similar.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
61. Risk or destruction of water supply is every time, the threat is existential in nature.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:21 AM
Nov 2014

Water is life.

Further, people under such threats have every right to stop such them by any means necessary.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
67. Why not just...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:43 PM
Nov 2014

...run a WATER pipeline into the reservation? My opinion, this talk about an "exestential theat" is hysterical, emotional malarkey.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
62. YES
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:40 AM
Nov 2014

As a native American of Heritage and proud of his Heritage we were give in the Constitution a right of SOVERNTITY to have our lands and we have a right to governed these lands, and when Obama was made a chief it was not just a symbol.

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