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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:13 AM Nov 2014

Pole Poll

Last edited Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)


3 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Ignacy Paderewski
1 (33%)
Bobby Vinton
1 (33%)
Lech Walesa
0 (0%)
Basia
0 (0%)
Bronko Nagurski
1 (33%)
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Pole Poll (Original Post) Ken Burch Nov 2014 OP
The Bears could sure use some Bronko on the field tomorrow! tritsofme Nov 2014 #1
I just like his name! 2naSalit Nov 2014 #2
Would vote for Walesa, but his anti-gay/choice agenda is repulsive. joshcryer Nov 2014 #3
Agreed, but the point was just that he was a well-known Polish dude. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #4
He was pro-trade union. joshcryer Nov 2014 #8
Rosa is great(one of my heroes, in fact)but I think most people would associate her with Germany Ken Burch Nov 2014 #13
Yes, it was the first of your comedic polls I voted on. joshcryer Nov 2014 #16
Other... pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #5
awwwwwwww............................ Ken Burch Nov 2014 #6
frederick chopin nt msongs Nov 2014 #7
Who the fuck are they? Warpy Nov 2014 #9
Totems? pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #10
Poles. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #11
No Pierre and Marie Curie? Ron Obvious Nov 2014 #12
Pierre was French, so he wouldn't qualify. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #14
Damn, you're right. Ron Obvious Nov 2014 #19
Krzysztof Kieslowski Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #15
Dekalog joshcryer Nov 2014 #17
Incredible film. The best direction I've ever seen. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #18
I need to know their positions. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #20
Here you go: Walesa, Vinton, and Basia-vertical. Paderewski and Nagurski-horizontal. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #21
Only your lap dogs will agree. nt pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #22

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
2. I just like his name!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:22 AM
Nov 2014



And industrial strength long-johns are what I'm wearing!! I live in them this time of year... it's been at least -10F every night since last Tuesday and I'm not even in the coldest part of the polar vortex.


 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
4. Agreed, but the point was just that he was a well-known Polish dude.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:55 AM
Nov 2014

You could also have pointed out that he was always rabidly anti-union(this from a former union leader)as president.

None of the democratic-socialist ideals of Solidarity in the Gdansk shipyards ever came close to being applied by the so-called "Solidaraity" government.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
8. He was pro-trade union.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:33 AM
Nov 2014

Meaning he wanted unions to exist within capitalism / the markets. People demean trade unions but in reality they are all that exist now, as a response to the industrial revolution. So I think you're being unfair with that characterization.

He was against government managed unions which is what the Soviets brought to the table. Gdansk , the state owned company, was the epitome of Soviet controlled industry which failed due to government control. FYI, before it became run by a trade union it was a military focused industry. This is unsustainable.

That said, I am merely responding to the poll options. Rosa Luxemburg would be a far better option.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. Rosa is great(one of my heroes, in fact)but I think most people would associate her with Germany
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:27 AM
Nov 2014

since she mainly worked there(having been exiled from Poland at a fairly early age).

And what I was saying about Walesa was that, even though the Solidarity program called for workers' control and management of the factories, once in power he was no friend of even independent trade unions, using his time in office to push a right-wing austerity agenda that did Poland no good at all. His program led to former Solidarity supporters losing their jobs in Western-imposed layoffs(which should have been something he would refuse to do).

BTW, while I deeply respect your views-you're taking this poll a bit too seriously-it was meant to be a comic poll, based on the similarity in sounds between "Poll" and "Pole". That's why the choices were five random Poles from history.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. Yes, it was the first of your comedic polls I voted on.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:35 AM
Nov 2014


I was merely giving my opinion on the "hilarity" of putting an anti-gay/choice ideologue in the options.

I didn't vote for him for those reasons.

He didn't serve a long enough term for one to credibly say he was against trade unions, because most Baltic states underwent massive, repressive, detrimental austerity. By design. They were completely obliterated by the former USSR before they became their own states and were literally at the whims of Russian oligarchs. This is uncontroversial.

If you look at every single Baltic state's economic status and health status after the breakaway, you could have called them failed states, but with western economic efforts, many of them managed to do even better than Russia. Most if not all at this point, since Russia has become a petrostate.
 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
19. Damn, you're right.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:25 AM
Nov 2014

Mislead all these years by a line remembered from an old Physics textbook: "The Curies named the new element Polonium in honour of their homeland."

Bugger.

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