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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:08 AM Nov 2014

Fox Democrat Kristen Day blames "ideologically pure" voters for our election losses.

This article in The Hill on the 14th really angered me. I hate the use by "moderates" or "centrists" in the Democratic Party of the word "purity".

They make it sound like it is a naughty word.

This is a disgusting article to me. This is the kind of stuff that has gone on way too long in this party, and it needs to stop.

Do Democrats want pro-choice purity or to win elections?

Sound familiar? Same stuff the party think tanks started spewing after our colossal losses in 2010

Is it better to run pro-choice candidates who oppose all restrictions on abortion in districts where the majority of voters are pro-life, or is it better to end the abortion litmus test and support pro-life Democrats who can compete in these districts?

These are not abstract questions. In 2006 and 2008, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) made a concerted effort to recruit excellent candidates whose values matched the voters’ values. Democrats took control of the House, and newly elected Democrats, including pro-life Democrats, played a key role in passing legislation that has made a real difference in people’s lives, including the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which (even with its flawed implementation) has expanded access to quality, affordable healthcare to millions of Americans.

In 2010, however, the Democratic Party suffered a severe setback in a wave election that wiped out moderates, centrists, and other Democrats in swing districts. Pro-life Democrats, who received minimal backing from the party even in many of these critical districts, were hit harder than any other group. There were a variety of reasons Democrats struggled in 2010, including the economy, but the lack of clarity about abortion funding in the ACA was critical in some of these races, as right-wing anti-abortion activists smeared these Democrats, accusing them of voting for the public funding of abortion. And the party has done nothing to rebuild the strength of pro-life Democrats since.

The result is that there will be more Republicans in the House than at any point since Harry Truman was president. And there will be just a handful of pro-life Democrats.


Another thing. I am tired of people like Kristen Day claiming to be pro-life when in actuality they are anti-choice for women and their reproductive rights.

Our party should be standing up for women in the right wing attacks on their rights to choose. No more lectures from Kristen Day or anyone else in the party.

That is exactly why the policing of pregnant women is getting out of control and scary.

Women's choice advocates need to be aware of the Daschle Abortion Bill 1997

"Daschle's so-called compromise bill, as quoted in the New York Times, permits an exception to the ban for `a severely debilitating disease or impairment specifically caused by the pregnancy (emphasis added),' but makes no provision for a pre-existing, life- and health-threatening `debilitating disease or impairment' that is being exacerbated by the pregnancy. This could include kidney disease, severe hypertension and some cancers. Nor does the Daschle bill allow for an abortion in cases of severe fetal abnormality where it is unlikely the fetus would live long outside the womb, even with technological support.

"The physician certification requirement and the potential loss of a medical license in the Daschle language invites government scrutiny of private medical matters and threatens doctor-patient confidentiality. The intent of this and other abortion ban bills is to control women and to limit their ability to make critical reproductive decisions that affect their families, their health and their lives. These bills represent the ultimate in Congressional arrogance," Gandy charged.


That was an outrageous bill by Daschle, and it was even more outrageous for Clinton to endorse it.

I hate the use of the "purity" when it is used to refer to the strong beliefs some of us hold about what our party should support. It's simplistic and it's petty.



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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
1. This paragraph makes women's issues sound unimportant.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:20 AM
Nov 2014
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/223889-do-democrats-want-pro-choice-purity-or-to-win-elections

The strongest foundation for a more successful Democratic Party is a real plan to increase economic security, opportunity, and justice for all Americans, one that the vast majority of Democrats can get behind. This, combined with a big tent policy that recognizes the diversity that exists within the party on abortion, is the strongest path forward for Democrats. The Democratic Party can become the majority party—not just in presidential elections—if we put forward a smart, progressive plan to make government work for working class and middle class Americans, and if the party supports candidates who back this plan, regardless of where they stand on abortion.


Since the group she is part of, Democrats for Life, pushed to get contraception availability restricted in the ACA....then I can't take her seriously at all.

http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php/articles-and-op-eds/press-releases/760-democrats-for-life-urges-further-accommodations-on-contraception-mandate

"The religious organizations that are at the center of the contraception debate are in many cases the very same organizations who are helping the sick, the needy, and the poor," said Day. "We recognize the Administration's goal to provide free contraception, but it could be done without compromising the rights of religious-based organizations who oppose abortion. The clearest and best path is to apply one of the many current and tested statutes that provides conscience protection to those organizations whose charitable or educational activities are deeply religiously motivated."

In addition to further accommodations, DFLA offered that if the Administration wants to provide free contraception to women, they should pursue options that do not infringe on the religious liberty of organizations and individuals."

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
13. For this woman, they are very, very wrong about this:
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:53 AM
Nov 2014
The Democratic Party can become the majority party—not just in presidential elections—if we put forward a smart, progressive plan to make government work for working class and middle class Americans, and if the party supports candidates who back this plan, regardless of where they stand on abortion.




JHB

(37,160 posts)
16. "Pro-choice purity"? Pot. Kettle. Black. Anti-choice has DEFINED itself by purity
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

It has consistently pressed for ever-tighter restrictions, and pushed Republicans further and further into their extremes by encouraging single-issue voting: Their way or lose. Purity has been quite successful for them.

Where are "Democrats for Life"'s op-eds against that?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
2. "everything's the purists' fault"? what is this, 2003?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:27 AM
Nov 2014

maybe they'll say all our problems are the fault of "circular firing squads" next ...

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
3. Yep, it's gone on too long.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:41 AM
Nov 2014

I first read that term being used about the same time they called us fringe anti-war.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
6. "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" is another favorite
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:57 AM
Nov 2014

of that crowd. the problem with that is often there isn't anything "good" in the mix. they wear that tired cliche right the hell out.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
8. I hate that one also.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:07 AM
Nov 2014

I've been in a mood since the election. I do not want those terms being used anymore.

And the use of "ideological" in a negative way infuriates me.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
12. Especially since the charge comes from lying ass ideological corporatists, trying to pretend
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:26 AM
Nov 2014

they aren't on an agenda come hell or highwater, preferring the world burn before they let it go.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
4. Very well-said and damn right!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:44 AM
Nov 2014

Our Democratic candidates should be fervently pro-choice. Being wishy-washy on the issue just won't cut it.

You are either for or against a woman's right to have an abortion. Choose a side. I'll be voting for the pro-choice candidate

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
10. Yes, they should. Thank you. Well-said.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:46 AM
Nov 2014

You said:

You are either for or against a woman's right to have an abortion. Choose a side. I'll be voting for the pro-choice candidate.


Me, too
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
7. Right-wing Democrats blame the voters for not supporting them, rather than
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:00 AM
Nov 2014

examining their message, and asking why. It's like selling trout-flavored ice cream, and blaming the public when you go out of business. It's a loser's approach, born of arrogance.

When asked why voters supported liberal legislation but not Democratic candidates, they just can't seem to square that circle. They throw up their hands and say the voters are idiots. But any honest adult should be able to see the obvious; the party isn't particularly identified with liberal policies anymore.

The fact that they immediately follow it up by mocking "purists" only highlights the problem they can't seem to see.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
9. lol "It's like selling trout-flavored ice cream, and blaming the public"
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:08 AM
Nov 2014

That's funny and so true.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
11. "Pro-Choice Purity" Why does that term not upset more people?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:05 AM
Nov 2014

For Dems to imply that "pro-choice purity" lost the election is shocking. We should believe women have the right to that. No apologies for believing in that.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
14. Mark Udall
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:32 PM
Nov 2014

she's so full of shit -we lost because the millennials didn't vote and they are pro-choice - anti-voting.

My son who works with a popular band and knows thousands of the non-voters. He said 50% of his friends didn't vote - because....they think by not voting all will work out. Most are college grads.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
15. If we're purists, does that make the third way "Dirty Democrats"?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:37 PM
Nov 2014

Turning nobility into a vice is the crux of what has happened to our party leadership.

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