[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]By this reckoning, Saudi men obviously have no morals, no ethics, and absolutely no self control.

They should all be wearing leashes and collars with electroshock capability, controlled by well-trained, 24-hour female handlers.

You make very good points. I agree, put them on shock collars and leashes if they are no better than that controlling themselves, the sick woman hating bastards.

At least Obama isn't holding their hands and kissing them like Bush.

But exactly how evil does a (supposed) friend have to be before you send them on their way?

I know, follow the money, not the morality.

The corruption of religions is merely a tool used by corrupt authorities to hold on to their power and wealth.

I am always surprised to find DUers that do not recognize this.

Power has a great tendency to corrupt (in fact, it should probably be recognized as a scientific principle by now) and some religions have obviously been used as tools towards this end.

But there are many religions in the world and many religious leaders and followers and not all are corrupt and many have very good (even progressive) messages.

Your experiment has been tried before. Remember the Soviet Union? Check out North Korea today. No religion does not mean no corruption or greed?

Until people understand the actual correlation between power and corruption, I fail to see how we can progress.

Power absolutely needs to be monitored and regulated fiercely.

Religion should not be granted any governmental powers but people should feel free to practice their religious beliefs freely.

are 'easily controllable, freighted people?"

Seriously????

Do you really suggest that anyone that posts here at all (given all the NSA and others surveillance abilities) is easily frightened?

As I stated up thread , the 'take religion away' policy has been tried (and failed) in other regimes before.

This is not some new theory you guys just came up with. It has been used for centuries. In fact, many Americans are descended from those that sought to escape religious persecution in other countries.

As far as I can see, the anti-religious fervor has become nearly as dangerous as the pro-religious fervor recently.

Religious freedom was one of the first rights guaranteed by the Constitution. And you are now suggesting we take that right away?

I assume you are okay with being required to keep your atheist views hidden too, right?

I myself am for expanding civil rights not taking any away.

If they could not, America would not exist today.

Do we need to keep religion separate from government? Of course.

Attempting to suppress a persons first amendment rights to practice their religion (even when it is not on private property) is against our Constitutional rights.


Do you also suggest that it gay couples only be allowed to practice their marriage on private property and not in public?

Of course not, that would be as ludicrous as suggesting one's religion could only be practiced on private property.

That is not a fair comparison. Being gay is not a religion. Apples and oranges.

The poster sounds like they are saying the government should not make laws forcing religious beliefs on people who do not want those beliefs forced on them and that people should not proselytize to unwilling victims. Trust me. When you have been proselytized in my hometown, you were victimized. They are disgusting about it and overbearing and absolutely rude. And they WILL cross that line and physically assault you if you refuse to agree to their version of religion. They don't call it the Bible Belt for nothing.

I realize that not all of any religion are the same way, but when it comes to government functions, laws, hideous dress codes, and proselytizing, religion needs to be kept out of it. Practice your religion all you want, but don't expect those of us who do not to be all warm and fuzzy if the most hideous right wing version of that religion is shoved down our throats.

But even if we instituted your segregationist state those with religious sentiment would be able to vote -- unless you then further devolved into an apartheid state.

I don't admire your thought processes, but it is very important for democracy that you be allowed to think as you will and that you have the right to advocate your thoughts in the public square. Otherwise, there IS no freedom.

Authoritarian regimes, like the Saudis - now they are the ones that feel the need to tell their citizens what they may and may not express in public.

Hmm. I guess it's not just religion, after all.

Perhaps it has something to do with telling children to believe in invisible sky people...

males in a society by distorting the teachings. People need to research pre-Islamic societies in the ME and early Islam as well.

In many different religions, I have seen females advocate for some of the most hideous crap imaginable too. Those males could not do it without some females, usually the loudest ones here in America, aiding and abetting them. Think about female Faux News hosts and conservative women, if you need examples. Those males would not be able to get by with it if women did not do as they are told. Of course, that is more about America and in other western societies.

I get the feeling women can't say much of anything they want to say in a place like Saudi Arabia. They need a serious revolution and some help fighting the hideous men who control the laws there, it sounds like. I still resent that that Saudi Arabia are considered "allies" to America. It disgusts me.

When an atheist state was put into practice in the Soviet Union woman were really treated well as were gays and minorities. That was a time for he anti religious dogma to be put into practice and shine!

Because there aint no way to hide your lyin' eyes.

Or angry eyes. I bet they fear they might get cut down, with those angry eyes.

And classic cinema rentals would plummet were they to outlaw Bette Davis eyes.

Sounds like a trap. Husband gets mad a wife, accuses her of having "tempting eyes," the PTB hold a speedy kangaroo court trial, and walla, wife stoned to death, and husband free to marry someone else.

We see too much of it in supposedly enlightened circles as well.

What can be a surprise in the Saudi's mistreatment of women? The thing that pisses me off the worst is that our country doesn't do all it can to not have a relationship with this TERRORIST funding, female hating country.

I of course, realize the answer is economics and greed. But, it begs the further question of why do the rest of us allow it?

I am betting that a boycott of SA, or sanctions on them would work wonders in terms of human and women rights in SA.

lying down on her tummy, with the closeup of the blue eyes, telling her audience that it's okay if they can't perform, it's natural, and they should buy....can't remember the product. Am so engrossed in this girl's seductive lines and hunger that they just blank out the product's name..

are sex-starved and don't realize that their lust is natural and healthy, and, for that matter, so is the desire of the women.

That's why the west has birth control.

Those poor women.

This is just one more excuse to oppress women.

That Saudi Arabia was considering letting women drive under certain circumstances (have to be babysat by a male family member). Anyone else heard about this or if it passed? How progressive!

that they have to keep them under virtual lock and key to feel safe. It's tempting to identify all those men as Muslim, but the fact remains that many Hindus and Christian cults do the same thing. Just what is so scary about us???

Bewitch us men with your vaginas! That seems to be the prevailing theory from the Saudis and Rush anyway. :eyeroll:

But not until you've had your way with us and we've popped out a male child or two.

I'm not inserting a sarcasm smilie, because for much of the world's men this is sacred dogma.

This is unreal...

MAKE THE MEN WEAR BLINDFOLDS.. okay? Either that or ship all the women out of Saudi Arabia to where ever they want to go.

And the Shriner already disapproves!

It's like they project EVERYTHING onto women.

to despise them so? I'd hate to live in a country where I am a virtual slave.

So "strong" they are rendered helpless by the sight of eyes and bodies.