Many here outright say as much as a reflexive response any time the American public's preferences don't coincide with their own. And if the "You're stupid!" line of argumentation isn't winning back the public they'll leap for the ever-gentler, "You're racist!"

But that belies the point Gruber has now been seen repeatedly asserting to using subterfuge and accounting gimmicks to hide the intentions of his construct. He was paid handsomely via sole-source contracts.

Those who are in denial of this fact will scream, "You're stupid!" to try and scare people away from discussing it but repeating what Gruber said only underscores what Gruber said, not diminish it. "You're stupid," is a defense but usually the Defense is employed after the Offense has been rendered. In this instance the Defense IS the Offense. There is no fallback position now.

Exactly WHO did Gruber think was so stupid they had to be lied to? R Reps & Senators? Obviously not, since not a single one of them voted for it. The old white farts who showed up to protest at townhall meetings? Well, no, since they were against it from the start. The general public? Well, since a whole lot of them voted against Obama, who had been promising this sort of program, it must be more specific than that.

Must be he meant the D Reps & Sens, who actually voted for the bill. Must be he meant those of us who supported the bill all along, and those who voted Obama/Biden in 2008.

So, since he must have been specifically calling YOU stupid, how do you feel about his remarks now??

That being said, I honestly never wholeheartedly supported the ACA.

Any *thing* that relied on private, for-profit corporations means only one thing: codified profiteering. Not markets, not efficiency, not cost-cutting. Just profiteering by force of law.

I'm just a stupid hick country girl. Certainly no match for the wits of a big city MIT economist -- but I know bullshit when I smell it.

Sorry about that.

from one country hick girl to another!

the one put together by Rahm Emanuel for dealing with the fucking retarded liberals.

Chief of Staff. He said certain liberals were "fucken retarded".

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel apologized to the head of the Special Olympics today after the Wall Street Journal reported the fiery Chicagoan privately called a group of liberal activists "f—ing retarded."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/02/rahm-apologizes-for-privately-calling-liberal-activists-retarded/

You notice he did not apologize to liberals, just the Special Olympics.

Some Liberals were discussing advertising against less-Liberal Democrats. Rahm said that IDEA was "fucking retarded". He never called the Liberals themselves retarded.

they are not helpful to those who are still waiting for their glitter-shitting pony, and in fact are likely to give them a " sad ".

the many lies told by republicans.

How much attention did McConnell's blatant lies about repealing Obamacare but keeping Kynect get?

2012 must have been a disappointed.

You seem to have the DKF position--agree with all Teahadist lies about the ACA such as the claim it has already failed--but of course you support single payer.

And then you play this silly game --

that the ACA has already been proven to be a failure?

palatable. If the law was destined to be such a rousing success why would he lie?

He is a computer modeler. He did not draft the legislation.

Your true colors are showing.

So what?

And did it come from HHS?

I am pissed off at the comment. How did such a politically tone deaf asshole get the position he had in the first place.

This has no substantive bearing on the law. This is a coordinated wingnut publicity scheme to grease the skids for the SCOTUS to gut the law.

You ought to question why you're pushing a Koch brothers-funded meme.

The media basically serves as a daily platform for republican lies and propaganda.

A lot of the things Gruber says in the videos are simply not true, such as his claim that it was vital the CBO score the mandate as a 'duty' and not a 'tax', and it scoring the mandate as a tax would kill the bill. That's simply wrong, no matter what the mandate was called it would still bring in the same amount of money when the CBO ran the numbers. Maybe politically it would be a tougher sell, but not with the CBO.

That's just 1 of many things he obviously gets flat out wrong.

Only Fox is carrying it.

CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/politics/obamacare-voters-stupid-explainer/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow-daily/watch/obamacare--the-gruber-effect-358422083955

Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-had-the-worst-week-in-washington-obamacare-consultant-jonathan-gruber/2014/11/13/87c7cafc-6b97-11e4-b053-65cea7903f2e_story.html

CBS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-gop-anger-over-jonathan-grubers-obamacare-comments-is-justified/

ABC:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-fire/story?id=26919286

And the CBS is linked to slate.

There is very little broadcast coverage otjer than the five.

about it. It has even been mentioned on other TV shows this morning.

Woopsie.

But since it makes POTUS look bad a lot
here don't want to hear it.

What Gruber said said was insulting.

Exactly WHO did Gruber think was so stupid they had to be lied to? R Reps & Senators? Obviously not, since not a single one of them voted for it. The old white farts who showed up to protest at townhall meetings? Well, no, since they were against it from the start. The general public? Well, since a whole lot of them voted against Obama, who had been promising this sort of program, it must be more specific than that.

Must be he meant the D Reps & Sens, who actually voted for the bill. Must be he meant those of us who supported the bill all along, and those who voted Obama/Biden in 2008.

So, since he must have been specifically calling YOU stupid, how do you feel about his remarks now??

what the Cadillac tax was going to cost actual people, or did you buy the line about the employers paying it? Did you believe that "if you like your plan you can keep your plan," etc.

and they continue to count on it, by making this into yet one more sham Red vs. Blue "battle" to distract us from the fact that both corporate parties wanted this thieving corporate system.

No WAY corporatists on either side will allow the mandate to be repealed; it is already skyrocketing insurance company profits beyond their wildest dreams. The insurance companies wrote the thing, and it was *designed* to entrench an exploitative, profit-sucking system of middlemen that keeps costs spiraling at the expense of human beings who need care. Look instead for more "loopholes" like the one the Obama administration *already* carved out in order to help the companies shift even more costs to patients.

If most people understood how it is rigged, and how much is being stolen, they would be outraged. The mandate was a corporate wet dream - it ensures that obscene levels of money that should be going to health care instead are given as a cut to these thieving health insurance middlemen. It ensures continued spiraling costs. And it ensures a continued motive to deny care for profit.

Great post. Excellent. Thank you.

.. by the likes of Gruber. As I have said, this guy should be ostracized from any political job, he is fucking ebola because of his big stupid mouth.

Surprised no one has done it.

... a shovel

so I agree with you 100$%.

That and fear. Notice no more huge fear about ebola in the news? Elections over.

doing to combat it? Nothing, I imagine.

that kind of got debunked in a hurry.

before we'll know what's in it? Why, she's a regular Dennis "That's because I read it" Kucinich!

Wonder how much Obama is even in touch with Reid and Pelosi post-midterm drubbing. He seems a lone wolf, by choice, and that hasn't proven good for the Democratic Party.

Everyone I know is getting good insurance because of the law.

Including me.

This latest anti-ACA story is brought to you by ALEC and anyone who feigns outrage over it is either a useless idiot or a willing participant in their quest to revoke insurance from millions of people.

Something tells me that this "scandal" was timed perfectly to delegitimize the ACA.

this is the next to be trotted out.

How many post-mortems came down to, "well, if only voters weren't such mouth-breathers..."?

that low-income conservative voters are stupid and consistently "vote against their own interests" (rather than even acknowledging the possibility that they see their interests differently than we do).

Media do with it, the problem is the HE SAID IT! Now, what are WE going to do with the knowledge that our own party thinks we are stupid?

Stupid? Maybe, living in south Texas I have met more than my share of stupid Foxnews viewers. What I find most of them to be is ignorant of what their own party is doing. The GOP controls the flow of information, therefore they own the narrative.

Plus anyone that believes Obama is a Muslim agent or Marxist-Fascist puppet for the UN is a fucking idiot. And that makes up a large part of the GOP crowd.

Dems need to control the message and stop letting the M$M carry water for the GOP.

...and voted for Romney in last election?

What he has done is called fraud, and the damage he has done to the Democratic Party is incalculable. Premeditated, in cold blood. He defrauded not only the people as a whole, but all of the parties that paid him millions in contracts as well.

How many ugly parts of that bill did you swallow because you believed that Gruber's claims were true?

If you pass a massive overhaul of the US health care system, and you make your decisions based on the advice of a single person, you should be booted out of office for gross incompetence.

perhaps even the one who came up with the idea

Ignoring the political end of things, that's a flat-out crime for which John Doe would be busted if he got $1000 for, and this guy walked off with millions!

And from the other articles I've seen, he wasn't acting all on his own, nor were his employers ignorant to the flaws in his analysis. If you want to persue fraud charges, it's not going to all end up on him. As far as blaming HIM for Dem losses, he produced the PR the administration wanted, and the administration touted his findings. To suggest that they're not culpable in this is laughable. In the end, the ACA passed, and it's not going away any time soon.

although the day after the midterm elections, a whole lot of DUers did.

read and fully understand the Iraq War vote or did they just want war?
Did the GOP read and fully understand the Patriot Act?

The 2006 lame duck vote that is destroying our USPS re: Unreasonable Mandates for Retirement Funding?

I admit the learning curve in the Political World is challenging to me....but all I see here is Another "new" shiny toy to scare and distract from real issues. It's unfamiliar to the masses because "normally" pols on both sides vote everyday under the Same criteria-so yes, "they're" able to sell grubers comments as "OBAMAS Fault---look what the dictator is doing Now-Run" BS!

If we'd start, perhaps---seeing the decades old large picture...when was this scenario (grubers comments) Not the case no matter the party?