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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:06 AM Nov 2014

Want to Feed the Homeless? Be Prepared to Pay the Government for the Privilege

http://www.alternet.org/want-feed-homeless-be-prepared-pay-government-privilege

Homeless people, by definition, have nowhere to go – but now in many cities, they have even fewer options. While real estate developers tout “green space” and the economic “revitalisation” of urban landscapes, it’s the sidewalks, parks and plazas that have become hostile territory for the poor. City lawmakers are trying to “clean up” the streets by barring homeless people from parks, shunting families into overcrowded shelters and, in some places, making it a crime even to help the homeless.

Last week, when a 90 year-old activist got arrested for feeding local homeless people at the beach in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, his outrage pointed to a nationwide trend of criminalising compassion in the United States. According to the National Coalition for the Homeless, since the start of 2013, 21 cities have imposed measures to restrict people from sharing food with the needy in public. In downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, for example, churchgoers have been prohibited from distributing food to homeless people in a local park in a residential area. In Raleigh, North Carolina, local humanitarians have reportedly been banned from giving meals to the needy in city parks without first getting a temporary special permit that costs some $1,600 per weekend.

Meanwhile, local governments have used “quality of life” strictures as a pretext for barring homeless people’s public presence. About a third of the cities surveyed by the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty have sought to destroy homeless dwellings by prohibiting “camping” in public – a 60% increase since 2011. About the same percentage of cities also ban “loitering” and some explicitly prohibit sitting or lying down in certain public places – presumably just to make sure the homeless don’t get too comfortable.

While a city can profit from the fines, fees, tourism revenues and real estate investment generated by commodifying public space, the ultimate cost is borne by those who can least afford it: the impoverished and the homeless. These days, even those who reach out with a simple act of charity are punished for their “misconduct”.
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Want to Feed the Homeless? Be Prepared to Pay the Government for the Privilege (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2014 OP
As I'm learning JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #1
what a great idea. nt xchrom Nov 2014 #3
Yes. What a great idea. midnight Nov 2014 #4
You know xchrom JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #7
You truly are a wonderful soul theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #17
You underscore the importance of Skidmore Nov 2014 #6
So true! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #8
It is unfortunate that so many prefer Skidmore Nov 2014 #9
Have you looked into solar cookers? IDemo Nov 2014 #30
Making money off everything. Turbineguy Nov 2014 #2
It seems to be the new industry: woo me with science Nov 2014 #10
Excellent post packman Nov 2014 #15
In the future this will probably shift Turbineguy Nov 2014 #21
overlooking the business opportunities in waste and redistribution reddread Nov 2014 #28
I wonder if putting a referendum on ballots across midnight Nov 2014 #5
you already have free speech reddread Nov 2014 #12
Horribly cynical. blackspade Nov 2014 #11
As Americans have a love affair with often electing sociopaths into office, this trend RKP5637 Nov 2014 #13
Yes, they created by their votes the government we all have to survive their hateful attitudes. freshwest Nov 2014 #22
And what most Americans can't get through their thick heads is they are in the group they RKP5637 Nov 2014 #25
This reminds me of the lines in that song by the Band logosoco Nov 2014 #14
Food banks are very vulnerable if this trend continues riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #16
Another example of "The Meaning of America." calimary Nov 2014 #18
"21 cities have imposed measures to restrict people from sharing food with the needy in public." CrispyQ Nov 2014 #19
It's in the government's TBF Nov 2014 #20
The "fake public space" thing creeps me out. Northern Virginia is full of it Recursion Nov 2014 #23
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #24
K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #26
I wondering if we could begin a program yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #27
absolutely not reddread Nov 2014 #29

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
1. As I'm learning
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:18 AM
Nov 2014

I'm engaged in a small project in my community - sparked by the idea that many who are in poverty - if not outright homeless - may not have a stove. Trying to get a community kitchen going where they can cook, put in microwave containers - is daunting. And the idea is that someone can stop in while we are cooking to grab a hot meal. This is a relatively rural community - but at least now (after the elections) I have a Mayor who understands my vision.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
7. You know xchrom
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:59 AM
Nov 2014

I did well financially by myself as a single woman. I have never known a cold, hungry, shelter insecure day in my life. When I was laid off for a year after the tech bubble burst - I figured out I could maintain my lifestyle for 4 years as it was - or dial back and go ten years. I'm a very lucky person.

But there are people who will work their fingers to the bone all of their lives and still get the shaft. So - I married "well" 2.5 years ago and was lucky enough to find someone who "gets" that . . . We have all we need. If my husband is willing to support this then I'm going to do it.

I can't solve all of the problems of the world but I refuse to live in one of the wealthiest counties in America with people who can't eat. Not gonna do it. In 20 years I don't believe we will have solved the issue of poverty. But in rural areas around America I would like to see this "vision" spread.

If one is succesful - so can many. And if it makes me a communal socialist - so be it. If that's the "worst" someone can throw at me - I'll take the ignorant slur.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
8. So true!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:02 AM
Nov 2014

And we can have such a tremendous impact - those of us in small towns. My borough has just 4500 people - but the township uses us as the "seat". I can't solve the problems up in the Adirondacks or in a small burg in Mississippi - but I certainly can in horse country NJ.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
9. It is unfortunate that so many prefer
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:08 AM
Nov 2014

the glitzy show of the top caged death matches to the actual work of running a foot race on a dirt road.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
30. Have you looked into solar cookers?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:11 AM
Nov 2014

They are gaining widespread use in Third World areas where cooking fuel isn't always available. In addition to cooking, they can be used to sterilize drinking water. Granted, they do require a somewhat sunny day. The "Cookit" can be folded up when not in use.

We have used a similar device for several years and love it.





Turbineguy

(37,342 posts)
2. Making money off everything.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:21 AM
Nov 2014

And making money off those who don't have any is especially brilliant. Sort of like derivatives.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. It seems to be the new industry:
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:22 AM
Nov 2014

Working on making these "others" profitable:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5817954



[font size=3]Poor minorities are worthless to corporations on the street. In prison they can bring in $40,000/yr
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969
[/font size]

Poor Land in Jail as Companies Add Huge Fees for Probation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014158005

The Caging of America - Why do we lock up so many people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226110

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681

Obama's 2013 budget: One area of marked growth, the prison industrial complex
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002392306

Obama selects the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/mars-d03.html

Private prison corporations move up on list on federal contractors, receiving BILLIONS
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Federal Private Prison Populations Grew by 784% in 10 Year Span
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4362184

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html

Private Prison Corporation's Letters to Shareholders Reveal Industry's Tactics: Profiting from Human Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022665091



Financial growth of private prison industry...Profiting from caging humans.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/BshteP8i282pcaeH8pdUsA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTUyMA--/

We heard about private prisons...but do you know of the private probation industry?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025380204

NYT: Probation Fees Rise, Firms Profit and the Poor Go to Jail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002893040

No Safe Place: How Cities Are Making It Illegal to be Homeless
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699724

Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603515

The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667

The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747

The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
15. Excellent post
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:23 AM
Nov 2014

I posted quite a long post several months back about the prison system and how it has become a business. Those who have gotten a contract with state or county governments have made it clear to those governments that they have to provide a steady stream of prisoners to keep them in business. When you have this type of agreement between a private organization and the powers in charge, you can smell the corruption and evil collusion.

Turbineguy

(37,342 posts)
21. In the future this will probably shift
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

to the death industry. Although obviously prisons have better long-term profitability potential.

Maybe they could build luxury prisons for the 1%? It would be even more profitable.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
28. overlooking the business opportunities in waste and redistribution
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:52 AM
Nov 2014

im pretty sure that stores and suppliers have nice incentives to donate EXPIRED food stuff.
the food banks are not in jeopardy from homeless activism repression. that arrangement is a whole other issue,
serving better class of clientele, and locally we saw the lead architect of the most brutal anti-homeless policies
move RIGHT INTO the head position of the large local food bank (out in the boonies. homeless cant get there)
so that should tell you where they stand.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
5. I wonder if putting a referendum on ballots across
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:54 AM
Nov 2014

the country to donate to the homeless and not make it a crime might be a longer range goal?

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
12. you already have free speech
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:36 AM
Nov 2014

and money is speech.
I think you may have the issues/tactics confused
free speech essentially protects begging, while municipalities attempt to
cure their perceived problems with median prohibitions, shopping cart laws and general contempt
for the poor, they probably dont stand a snowball's chance in higher courts.
but thats not their concern, the short term advantage, trying to squash a nuisance that is bigger than
any solution they are willing to try is what they want.

these feeding bans and ordinances will not stand up, and those localities that practice this sort of repression
in difficult economic times?
they should be targeted for negative publicity and shamed. individual politicians should bear the brunt of their
personal policies, NOT be promoted by an elite political establishment.
we need to fight back.
harder.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
11. Horribly cynical.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:25 AM
Nov 2014

Punishing the poor...for being poor.

You have to be a sick fuck to support these kinds of laws.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
13. As Americans have a love affair with often electing sociopaths into office, this trend
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:48 AM
Nov 2014

will continue. Apparently this is what many Americans want as evidenced by whom they elect into office. It is pathetic.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Yes, they created by their votes the government we all have to survive their hateful attitudes.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:04 AM
Nov 2014
These things don't occur in a vacuum. The voters put these folks in office and they despise the poor and homeless.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
25. And what most Americans can't get through their thick heads is they are in the group they
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:31 AM
Nov 2014

despise or on the edge. I've also read the total number is near about ~47% of Americans would be in that group if their paychecks were lost for about one month. They have no cash reserves. I am constantly amazed at how totally ignorant and DUH so many Americans are and it has nothing to do with how smart they are and/or education, they are simply stupid. As I've often said, US = United Stupidity.

America's near poor: 30 million and struggling




See >>> http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/24/news/economy/americans-poverty/

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
14. This reminds me of the lines in that song by the Band
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

I just spent 60 days in the jail house for the crime of having no dough, now here I am back out on the street for the crime of having no where to go.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. Food banks are very vulnerable if this trend continues
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:03 AM
Nov 2014

If criminalizing the distribution of food to the poor and homeless becomes the norm, the inevitable result will be an assault on food banks and soup kitchens.

Many many more will suffer

calimary

(81,308 posts)
18. Another example of "The Meaning of America."
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:08 AM
Nov 2014

"Meaning" as - BECOMING MORE MEAN!!!

Our country is rapidly turning into some mean-spirited, hard-hearted, angry, resentful, mercenary, coldly-calculating place. It's really sad. Our generosity of spirit seems to have gone off the deep end. I think if you're lucky you can find it on the Endangered Species list, but shit like this suggests it may already be extinct.

Know something? I'm gonna quote the fuckin' teabaggers here: I WANT MY AMERICA BACK!!!!!!!!!

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
19. "21 cities have imposed measures to restrict people from sharing food with the needy in public."
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
Nov 2014

Jesus would be so proud.

TBF

(32,064 posts)
20. It's in the government's
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:55 PM
Nov 2014

interest for people to die - especially in this baby boomer generation. People are not voting out social security and healthcare like the republicans want them to. It costs $$$ to keep people alive and healthy.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
23. The "fake public space" thing creeps me out. Northern Virginia is full of it
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:15 AM
Nov 2014

There's a "Ballston Commons" area, which looks a lot like the kind of commons space we tore down to build the mall it's in front of, that is owned by the developer. They have a creepy, creepy ban on "non-commercial expressive activity".

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. I wondering if we could begin a program
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:41 AM
Nov 2014

Like foster care for the homeless. We have a list of homeowners who will "take in" a homeless person into their home for an extended period until they get back on their feet. Maybe the state can give the homeowner a stipen for doing so. It doesn't have to be just homeowner. It could be a person with an extra bedroom in their rented apartment. Anything. Sounds seriously out of the mainstreamed. But everything started somewhere.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
29. absolutely not
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:11 AM
Nov 2014

because the extreme risk associated with even a small percentage of homeless (and the number isnt that small)
WILL lead to the deaths of innocent (I hate that qualifier) well meaning people.
who wants to be the reason a dangerous, dishonest person took advantage of an olderman and his wife's absolute
generosity?

http://abclocal.go.com/story?section=news/local&id=8738571

this is a problem so serious, that we must work together, WITH the government's unwilling support.
there are several key issues in emergency housing strategies that ususally do not get recognized.
maybe because the charade is the only plan we have?

(The charade is the services they would like to give veterans and NO ONE ELSE.
you should see the dozen people with clipboards roaming around an encampment of hundreds of people
in the process of being bulldozed from around the Poverello House, all calling out for any veterans? any veterans?
"well, there was one guy, but he left"
meanwhile you couldnt walk a straight line for all the desperate souls about to be chased all over town looking for
shelter. and all these folks with clipboards wasting their morning except as window dressing)


you CAN NOT safely or reasonably place people in homes.
you CAN expect the rudest of surprises from the most gentle
of acquaintances. brain chemistry is a bitch.

so please consider that, because not doing so is showing a lack of concern for the safety of the good hearted.

you CAN NOT force people into a confined space with people they do not trust or like.

and

you CAN NOT keep a very large group of people in these situations self sufficient.
By which I mean supportive services, food resources, all of that becomes exponentially more difficult,
expensive and inefficient.

numerous small camps of self ruled responsible campers is the elegant, servicable solution.

not that the local and county govenment couldnt do MUCH BETTER with existing programs and legal precedents.
they dont want to.
and thats how it becomes our problem to solve.
we simply have to make the government comply with its own laws and learn its proper place in society.
this is not that difficult,
once you abandon illusions about media and partisanship, and learn to work together being the real media and movers.
you gather a score of pissed off advocates in a city council chamber and those fuckers on the dais get real nervous.
the trick appears to be gathering the same score repeatedly. but cats will be cats.
the homeless vote. they probably vote Democrat in a huge way.
lot of good it does them in Blue California.

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