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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:54 AM Nov 2014

Defiant Obama says he won't bend to GOP

Washington (CNN) -- A defiant Barack Obama dives into what could be a defining period of his presidency this week, after repeatedly enraging Republicans from afar during his Asia tour.

Obama faces showdowns with the GOP over immigration, the Keystone XL pipeline and his drive for a nuclear deal with Iran, all of which have huge consequences for his political legacy.

Far from being chastened by the Republican capture of the Senate, Obama is setting out to prove he is no lame duck and can still set the agenda.

But the GOP insists the mid-terms gave them a share of power in Washington, and believe Obama risks usurping his authority and even the constitution with his bold new strategy.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/16/politics/obama-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Defiant Obama says he won't bend to GOP (Original Post) spanone Nov 2014 OP
I hope he is serious malaise Nov 2014 #1
i think he is. he has absolutely nothing to lose by defying these cretins. spanone Nov 2014 #2
There's a first time for everything. L0oniX Nov 2014 #5
I remember when Republicans swept Congress in 1994 and they all bragged on how Clinton was now Bandit Nov 2014 #45
...and it will only have taken 6 years for him to stand up to his arch enemy. L0oniX Nov 2014 #6
too bad he didnt start doing this in 2009 nt msongs Nov 2014 #34
GObama! a kennedy Nov 2014 #25
President Obama, please stick it to those disgusting POS! MoonRiver Nov 2014 #3
Bahwahhahahahahah ...ok L0oniX Nov 2014 #4
Yeah, some people never did know the President.. thinking he was "glad the gop won the midterms" for Cha Nov 2014 #7
Beautius post. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #9
Why Mahalo, lonestarnot! Cha Nov 2014 #10
Mahalo Cha! lonestarnot Nov 2014 #11
Aloha lonestarnot! Cha Nov 2014 #23
Time to show the GOP what real leadership looks like perdita9 Nov 2014 #8
Let's hope. bigwillq Nov 2014 #12
Oh what you said! SoapBox Nov 2014 #15
Yeah, like the President hasn't been active Gettin Things Done.. these last 6 years.. :) Cha Nov 2014 #24
His timing leaves something to be desired (*intentional understatement*). eomer Nov 2014 #13
I can't agree more... Bigmack Nov 2014 #16
Yes, for the 7 weeks ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #17
Haven't you heard? President Obama is the Magic Man.. he could have done so much more than those Cha Nov 2014 #29
This DAMNED LIE continues to be perpetuated by even f'ing Democrats. Ineeda Nov 2014 #30
I was referring to the very important things that could have been done with just a simple majority. eomer Nov 2014 #36
Too bad that some of the spineless DINO's SoapBox Nov 2014 #14
He's PRESIDENT, elected by a HUGE electorate twice.... George II Nov 2014 #18
DEFINITELY! I wish he'd say "Hey, GOP, I will put MY voter totals up against YOURS, ANY DAY!" calimary Nov 2014 #33
This gives me hope Bettie Nov 2014 #19
Getting red-faced with fury bvf Nov 2014 #46
Actually, it might help in 2016 Bettie Nov 2014 #48
I like the way you think. bvf Nov 2014 #49
It drives me nuts to see people run away from the President Bettie Nov 2014 #50
"...enraging Republicans from afar." Yes, he is, so what else is new? Even the corporate media have Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #20
I'll believe it when I see it... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #21
As it is said... 99Forever Nov 2014 #27
Guess you and I still haven't quite mastered... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #32
Glad POTUS is going to do something about immigration. onecaliberal Nov 2014 #22
Good! nt greytdemocrat Nov 2014 #26
Where was this President INdemo Nov 2014 #28
busy..... spanone Nov 2014 #31
Nice malaise Nov 2014 #37
That would be nice. EEO Nov 2014 #35
Where was this six years ago? Brigid Nov 2014 #38
I have no fucking clue Skittles Nov 2014 #41
I wish he had started his Presidency in this way... kentuck Nov 2014 #39
I have your back, Mr President! jillan Nov 2014 #40
Kickin and Reccin Rex Nov 2014 #42
I hope this is true, but . . . tclambert Nov 2014 #43
I am about at the point.... 47of74 Nov 2014 #44
Great. Now the Media can paint DEMS as the Obstructionists for 2016. And we know the DEMS won't say blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #47
Great! Mike Nelson Nov 2014 #51
He is the only HOPE we have for the next two years. liberal N proud Nov 2014 #52
This guy has talked like that all along, then capitulated. Here's what a strong Pres would do BlueStreak Nov 2014 #53

malaise

(269,054 posts)
1. I hope he is serious
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:58 AM
Nov 2014

I hope he stands up to the McConnell turtle whose only wish was to make Obama a one term President and block everything on his agenda.

GObama!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
45. I remember when Republicans swept Congress in 1994 and they all bragged on how Clinton was now
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:27 PM
Nov 2014

"Irrelevant" They were proved wrong then and will be once again.

a kennedy

(29,673 posts)
25. GObama!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:17 PM
Nov 2014

D*mn right, and I haven't heard that battle cry for some time...... GOBAMA, GOBAMA, GOBAMA.

Cha

(297,307 posts)
7. Yeah, some people never did know the President.. thinking he was "glad the gop won the midterms" for
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:18 AM
Nov 2014

craps sake. One of the Worst conspiracies EV-AR.. Of course getting beau coup recs on DU.. Talk about "Brawaaaaaaaaaa "

Obama Doubles Down On Immigration, Keystone Pipeline~On the Road with Aung San Kyl in Myanmar

"Speaking to reporters alongside famous opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, President Obama was adamant that, despite mounting GOP objections, he will move forward and take executive action to reform the immigration system by the end of the year because reforms are “way overdue.”

“I gave the House over a year to go ahead and at least give a vote to the Senate bill. They failed to do so and I indicated to Speaker Boehner several months ago that if, in fact, Congress failed to act, I would use all the lawful authority that I possess to try to make the system work better, and that's going to happen,” he said."

snip//

In some of his strongest language yet, Obama pushed back against the Republican argument that the pipeline is a “massive jobs bill for the United States.”

“Understand what this project is: It is providing the ability of Canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the Gulf, where it will be sold everywhere else. It doesn't have an impact on US gas prices,” he said, growing visibly frustrated.

“If my Republican friends really want to focus on what's good for the American people in terms of job creation and lower energy costs, we should be engaging in a conversation about what are we doing to produce even more homegrown energy? I'm happy to have that conversation,” he continued.

MOre..
http://abcnews.go.com/US/obama-doubles-immigration-keystone-pipeline/story?id=26905484


Tribal activists staged a protest against the Keystone XL Pipeline during President Barack Obama's visit to the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota in June

snip//

President Barack Obama said the Keystone XL Pipeline won't create as many jobs as supporters claim as the House prepares to vote today on a bill to approve the controversial project.

During his visit to Myanmar, Obama also said the pipeline won't lead to lower energy costs for Americans. At the same time, the White House stopped short of saying the president will veto the bill that Republicans are pushing.

MOre..
http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/015651.asp



http://theobamadiary.com/2014/11/14/the-president-in-australia/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025818670

Mahalo spanone

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
8. Time to show the GOP what real leadership looks like
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:22 AM
Nov 2014

The republicans have made it clear they aren't interested in solving problems.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
13. His timing leaves something to be desired (*intentional understatement*).
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:30 AM
Nov 2014

Too bad he didn't get his mojo on in 2009 and 2010 when he had a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate. He (and Congress) could have done much more then. Why do Democrats only seem to fight when they're mostly hamstrung? It almost seems intentional (*sarcasm*).

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
16. I can't agree more...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
Nov 2014

.. My biggest complaint is that the Pres didn't use his political capital earlier... when he had a lot more.

I think he forgot that spending political capital can get you more political capital.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Yes, for the 7 weeks ...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:46 AM
Nov 2014

that the Democratic caucus held a majority in congress, President Obama could have done so much more than healthcare financing reform (70 years in the making), Lily Ledbetter (40 years in the making), DADT (20 years in the making), DOMA (20 years in the making) and the rest of what this administration has accomplished, against historic opposition from both the right and the left.

Cha

(297,307 posts)
29. Haven't you heard? President Obama is the Magic Man.. he could have done so much more than those
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:27 PM
Nov 2014

roughly 200 accomplishments(a simple google search but you've hit on the highlights).. if only his "mojo" were faster faster faster.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
30. This DAMNED LIE continues to be perpetuated by even f'ing Democrats.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:29 PM
Nov 2014

This is infuriating!! Let's all try to remember this AGAIN:

Democrats did not have a fillibuster-proof majority for any significant amount of time -- that's a damned lie.

January 20, 2009 - After suffering a seizure during Barack Obama's inaugural luncheon, Senator Kennedy’s health forced him to retreat to Massachusetts.

April 28, 2009 news outlets issued the following report: Republican Sen. Arlen Specter has switched parties, which would give Democrats a filibuster-proof 60 seats.

Despite the fact that the media hailed the party switch of Arlen Specter and claimed it gave Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate, the Minnesota seat still remained vacant. The Senate had 57 Democratic members and 2 Independents. Technically, the Senate was two members short, but I'm counting Senator Kennedy even though he was at home ill because he did cast a vote in June. 59

May 15, 2009 Senator Robert Byrd was admitted to the hospital reducing the number of sitting Senators to 56 Democratic members and 2 Independents. 58

July 7, 2009 Al Franken (D) was sworn in after the election dispute over the Minnesota seat was decided in his favor. Senator Kennedy continued to recuperate at his home in Massachusetts and was unable to cast any more votes; Senator Byrd was still in the hospital. The Senate had 56 sitting Democratic members and 2 Independents. 58

July 21, 2009 Senator Byrd returned to the Senate making the count 59 seats. No Senator Kennedy.

Senator Kennedy died August 25, 2009.

The Kennedy seat was vacant from August 25 - September 24 when Paul G. Kirk was appointed to occupy his seat until the completion of a special election. The swearing-in of Kirk gave the Democrats a 60-seat majority.

Democrats had a 60 seat majority from September 24, 2009 thru February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown got the Kirk/Kennedy seat. 4 months!!

This does not account for the number of days Congress was not even in session during that time. If one subtracts the number of days Congress was out, the time that President Obama had a Democratic majority in Congress is further reduced by more than 30 days, or another full month.

Of a possible 94 legislative days during that period, the Senate was only in session for 67 days, while the House only labored for 54 days.

Additionally: Lieberman, Nelson, Landreau, and Lincoln, may have caucused with the Democrats but they voted with the Republicans.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
36. I was referring to the very important things that could have been done with just a simple majority.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

For example, the income tax rates could have been completely restructured using just the simple majority that they had throughout 2009 and 2010. With just 50 Senators plus 1 vote from the VP in the Senate together with 50% in the House they could have eliminated the Bush tax cuts and even could have put income tax rates back to what they were before Reagan when the top marginal rate was 70%.

The way they could have done this was through the budget reconciliation process, which cannot be filibustered. This would have required no changes to congressional rules, no nuclear option, just using the rules as they have been used for several decades. Here is a list of major legislation that was done through budget reconciliation and therefore never had to clear a 60 vote hurdle:

  • Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980, Pub.L. 96–499 (1980)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, Pub.L. 97–35 (1981)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982, Pub.L. 97–253 (1982)
  • Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA), Pub.L. 97–248 (1982)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983, Pub.L. 98–270 (1984)
  • Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), Pub.L. 99–272 (1986)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986, Pub.L. 99–509 (1986)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987, Pub.L. 100–203 (1987)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101–239 (1989)
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, Pub.L. 101–508 (1990).
  • Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, Pub.L. 103–66 (1993).
  • Balanced Budget Act of 1995, H.R. 2491 (vetoed December 6, 1995)
  • Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, Pub.L. 104-193 (1996)
  • Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105–33 (1997)
  • Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105–34 (1997)
  • Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999, H.R. 2488 (vetoed September 23, 1999)
  • Marriage Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2000, H.R. 4810 (vetoed August 5, 2000)
  • Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), Pub.L. 107–16 (2001)
  • Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108–27 (2003)
  • Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–171 (2006)
  • Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA), Pub.L. 109–222 (2006)
  • College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110–84 (2007)
  • Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–152 (2010)


That last one is the bill that enacted the ACA and some student loan changes, the only thing that Obama and congressional Democrats did by way of budget reconciliation during the time that they could in 2009 and 2010.

They could have done much more but chose not to. And apparently many Democrats don't want anyone to know this.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. He's PRESIDENT, elected by a HUGE electorate twice....
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:53 AM
Nov 2014

...these republican clowns were "elected" by less than 20% of all registered voters (35% turnout, figure 55% "majority, that's 19%!!!)

As noted above, he's not running again and there are no more Congressional elections between now and 2016, so he should be defiant and do what the people elected him to do - and those republicans be damned.

LET THEM IMPEACH! They'll never get close to 2/3 of the Senate to convict, and they'll make abject idiots out of themselves in the process. We flipped the Senate in the recent past, they flipped it this year. It can and will flip again if the republicans do what they say they'll do.

By the way, they can't gerrymander Senate "districts"!!!

calimary

(81,316 posts)
33. DEFINITELY! I wish he'd say "Hey, GOP, I will put MY voter totals up against YOURS, ANY DAY!"
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:41 PM
Nov 2014

"Go ahead and talk about your mandate and all the votes you got. Well, I will put MY vote count in EITHER election, 2008 OR 2012, up against ANY of yours, ANY DAY. Try and match me, assholes."

OWN it, Mr. President!!!! And STRUT it around! RUB IT IN, Mr. President. Keep 'em in their place!

In-yer-face, CONS!!!!!

With LOTS and LOTS of LUV-LUV-LUV!!!!


(Too bad there isn't a smilie for "FUCK YOU IN THE HEART - if you had one!&quot

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
19. This gives me hope
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:56 AM
Nov 2014

Now if he'll just follow it up.

Just watching them get red faced with fury will make me happy.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
46. Getting red-faced with fury
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:25 PM
Nov 2014

had been the only thing they've done since he took office.

I agree though that watching two more years of this will warm the heart.

I also share your hope that he follows through. No reason for him not to. Someone in a similar thread opined that this approach might scotch chances for whatever Dem runs in 2016. That's bullshit, IMHO.




Bettie

(16,110 posts)
48. Actually, it might help in 2016
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:26 AM
Nov 2014

At very least it will energize people on our side to come out and vote.

Acting like a Democrat is never a bad thing. Acting like the lite version of a Republican is sure to lose us elections as we saw recently.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
49. I like the way you think.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

Running away from your party's accomplishments is stupid. A hell of a lot more Democrats might've shown up at polls earlier this month had they been reminded of why they bothered to show up in 2012.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
50. It drives me nuts to see people run away from the President
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:08 AM
Nov 2014

"Oh, his poll numbers are low!"...yeah, like every president before him at this point in their second term.

No one seems to bother with his accomplishments.

I've been disappointed with him at times, but then, who is ever fully satisfied with any president or any congressperson or any elected official.

We need to move forward and to the LEFT...not weenie our way Rightward in a foolish attempt to please people who will never vote for anyone with a D after their name.

We didn't lose because the country wants things to move toward the Right, we lost because most of the voters stayed home. Apathy is the enemy, not a democratic agenda.

And thank you for your kind words.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. "...enraging Republicans from afar." Yes, he is, so what else is new? Even the corporate media have
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:58 AM
Nov 2014

had a hard time keeping up the charade of all this faux outrage.

Now brought to you from afar.

And, yes, Obama is having a very good week....that could be the real cause this time.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
27. As it is said...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:20 PM
Nov 2014

... you took the words right out of my mouth.

I have serious doubts, but would be overjoyed to be wrong.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
32. Guess you and I still haven't quite mastered...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:46 PM
Nov 2014

rope-a-dope. Chess. And all the other nonsense attributed to Obama's superior negotiating skills.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
22. Glad POTUS is going to do something about immigration.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:12 PM
Nov 2014

The congress is useless. I wish the President hadn't waited until after the election to act though. He shouldn't have provided cover for people running away from our democratic platform.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
38. Where was this six years ago?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:09 PM
Nov 2014

We could have used that to get single payer or at least the public option.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
39. I wish he had started his Presidency in this way...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:16 PM
Nov 2014

I think the Repubs would be much more conciliatory right now.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
43. I hope this is true, but . . .
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

I fear we will soon hear noises about "reaching across the aisle" and "bipartisan cooperation" once again. I wish he had taken a harder, more partisan line years ago.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
44. I am about at the point....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:15 PM
Nov 2014

...where I hear someone say that and I respond I have the following for sale;

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
47. Great. Now the Media can paint DEMS as the Obstructionists for 2016. And we know the DEMS won't say
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:55 AM
Nov 2014

word one to the contrary...

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
51. Great!
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Nov 2014

He should tell the American people the Republicans are no longer considered partners in making progress.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
53. This guy has talked like that all along, then capitulated. Here's what a strong Pres would do
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:44 AM
Nov 2014

On the Keystone pipeline, he would throw this back at the Koch brothers and their hired sock puppets. "Give me a system that will result in the reduction of greenhouse carbon at least three times the amount of carbon that will be released through that pipeline and you can have your pipeline."

The problem with Obama is that he never puts HIS position forward, so it is always just a matter of time before he caves.

By turning this into the real issue, which is climate impact, and by offering the pipeline proponents a reasonable path to have their pipeline, he can win this deal. If this resulted in a cap-and-trade that offset far more than the carbon from these tar sands, 90% of the environmentalists should be OK with that.

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