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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:44 AM Nov 2014

Cleveland’s plan to fight blight? Demolish 6,000 homes Lots being redeveloped as parks, greenhouses

Cleveland’s plan to fight blight? Demolish 6,000 homes
Lots being redeveloped as parks, greenhouses

The city of Cleveland is undertaking an interesting plan to fight urban blight, crime and falling home prices.

Instead of attempting to rebuild foreclosed and abandoned homes in blighted neighborhoods, the city is demolishing them and turning the empty lots into parks, greenhouses, and in one case, a vineyard.

All in all, the city plans to demolish 6,000 foreclosed and abandoned homes, according to a report from CNN Money.

From the CNN Money report:

"For the larger body -- the neighborhood -- to survive, you have to remove those cancer cells," said Frank Ford, a policy adviser for the nonprofit Thriving Communities Institute of Cleveland.

During the housing bust, Ford worked at a community redevelopment group that renovated 50 foreclosed homes in Cleveland for $180,000 each. They sold the rehabbed homes for about $90,000 apiece; taking a $90,000 hit on each.

If they had spent that money to demolish nine or 10 foreclosed homes instead and turned the land into green space, it would have had an immediate beneficial impact, said Ford.


That’s just what the city is now doing. And it’s finding the program successful as well.

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Cleveland’s plan to fight blight? Demolish 6,000 homes Lots being redeveloped as parks, greenhouses (Original Post) kpete Nov 2014 OP
Thanks for posting this! kentauros Nov 2014 #1
Parking lots and strip malls kpete Nov 2014 #3
In Detroit, people are turning empty lots into gardens. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #6
Give the city back to nature if nobody takes care of the buildings! Quantess Nov 2014 #2
That has happened on a large scale in Detroit. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #5
Is that house leaning to the right? NickB79 Nov 2014 #11
It does appear to be leaning. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #19
This quote bothers me: MineralMan Nov 2014 #4
To rehab or not to rehab.. SoCalDem Nov 2014 #7
It simply never makes sense to spend that much to rehab MineralMan Nov 2014 #10
or smacks of contractors getting very good money from the city. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #8
Well, I'm sure it was a program of some kind. MineralMan Nov 2014 #13
people are fleeing cleveland but not b/c of that, once again cleveland is missing the point belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #9
I like this idea but I want to know where the people in those houses went to? jwirr Nov 2014 #12
They went somewhere else. The owners who were residents MineralMan Nov 2014 #14
Why not use them for affordable public housing? libtodeath Nov 2014 #15
It would cost too much to renovate them friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #16
Who owns them,sounds like the city so why not use some lots to build new housing for the poor on? libtodeath Nov 2014 #17
I think this is a great idea. Delphinus Nov 2014 #18

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
1. Thanks for posting this!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:55 AM
Nov 2014


I've read about how community gardens and green space help people. I find it more amazing that cities don't do this kind of thing everywhere. Imagine how much more productive people would be if they were also happier

kpete

(71,996 posts)
3. Parking lots and strip malls
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

turned into parks and greenhouses?


sort of the opposite of

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot



Full circle,
I like it
peace,
kp

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
6. In Detroit, people are turning empty lots into gardens.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:15 PM
Nov 2014

It would be beneficial if Cleveland followed suit, and planted fruit and nut trees in their planned parks.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. This quote bothers me:
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:53 PM
Nov 2014
During the housing bust, Ford worked at a community redevelopment group that renovated 50 foreclosed homes in Cleveland for $180,000 each. They sold the rehabbed homes for about $90,000 apiece; taking a $90,000 hit on each.


$180,000 to rehab a home? Really? Tear it down and build a new one. That would be cheaper. If a home needs $180,000 in rehab work, it's not worth rehabbing. This smacks of people making very bad decisions, indeed.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
7. To rehab or not to rehab..
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:38 PM - Edit history (2)

Purists see the sturdy-looking, older homes and cannot help but to want to bring them back, but after decades of neglect, many have been stripped of their "innards", and are dangerously close to collapse. To rehab, costs a lot more than to rebuild, but of course one new house in acres of ghost houses, will not sell for much, and may be stripped in the process of being built.

It actually makes some sense to just tear them down and re-introduce nature.

Detroit sprawled the way it did because of the WWII build up and the immediate aftermath of the war.. It could not last once the southern migration began and the jobs left.

Truthfully, there will probably never again be anything even approaching a "need" for the number of homes that were abandoned & left to crumble.

While it may seem to be a good idea to "fix up the houses and give them to the poor", it is not a good idea because having a home (even a new one) requires a pretty steady and sufficient income (which poor folks do not have), and the houses would soon enough suffer again.

Detroit is not alone. Go to almost any midwestern /western small city that used to be bustling with factories, and you will see empty houses, shut down businesses and blight.

Instead of fighting about abortion/guns/God & other assorted issues, we need to figure out a way to get MONEY into the pockets of poor people.. They will find a way to house/feed themselves IF THEY HAVE SOME MONEY...

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. It simply never makes sense to spend that much to rehab
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

a house that will only be worth half what you spent. Never.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Well, I'm sure it was a program of some kind.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

Whoever was in charge of it simply ignored the simple economics of the value of the home versus the rehab cost. My own city of St. Paul, through the county seized some homes that were uninhabited, uninhabitable, and with overdue taxes. They tried to sell them for $1 or some ridiculously low number, but nobody wanted them. The problem was that the city was going to require that all systems in those homes be brought up to today's building codes. The buildings were built in the first couple of decades of the 20th century or late in the 19th century. Bringing them up to today's codes would have cost far more than the value of the home after restoration. Tearing them down and building new homes didn't compute, either, since the neighborhoods they were in were not desirable on the real estate market.

That's the problem with programs like those. Unrealistic goals are set by administrators with know knowledge of the building trades or what might be involved. So the program fails. Those houses have all been torn down, now, which should have been the first choice.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. They went somewhere else. The owners who were residents
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nov 2014

couldn't pay the mortgages, or landlords stopped maintaining the places in habitable condition. It's a common situation in a down housing market in city neighborhoods. So, the house goes empty, the pipes freeze and everything is ruined. It's simply not worth fixing up most such abandoned houses.

Delphinus

(11,831 posts)
18. I think this is a great idea.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:29 PM
Nov 2014

The city in which I lived, Fort Wayne, Indiana, had someone come in from Michigan (this was years ago and now can't remember which city they represented) talked about doing this and how it really helped neighborhoods. I continue to think it helps neighborhoods bounce back and become healthy for all.

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