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KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:22 PM Nov 2014

I fired a client I've had for 20 yrs this week ( a 1%er)



Look, I expect a certain amount of "let um eat cake" from the wealthier clients. Pretty much all of them are offended by being expected to pay anyone for anything. They all have this disgusting sense of entitlement. But there comes a point when someone is just so putrid it's embarrassing to be in any way associated with them.

He's the last of my 1%er clients to be fired within the last 5 years and done after he spouted off about how great China is that they don't let pesky things like human rights or the environment get in the way of building high speed rail. He'd love it if we could be them and the undeserving masses of America could be slaves living in squalor while he could speed past at 300 mph in luxury comfort. The rant was breathtaking in it's boldness. He didn't make any effort at all to even so much as phrase his hatred of the non-1% in any sort of palatable terms. The man is clearly in full love and worship of of "Communist China".

I am posting this because I want everyone to understand that the outsourcing of decent American jobs to slave labor countries is not just about rich people's greed for more profit. There is so much more to that dynamic than money and a callous disregard for other humans. For many of them, there is a perverse joy that comes from seeing their servant's suffering.

When we fight for economic justice we have to keep this in mind. Our parents and grandparents in the early days of unionization fought hard for worker rights that are being dismantled. Not just to push wages down but to retrain the younger workers not to ask too much. Not to expect too much.... to just be grateful some 1% cares enough to be abusive to them kind of twisted thinking.

That is much of our battle. To make sure all workers everywhere understand their value and expect to be treated fairly and with respect.





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I fired a client I've had for 20 yrs this week ( a 1%er) (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Nov 2014 OP
Bravo. How did you do it? therehegoes Nov 2014 #1
That people like him exist is simply appalling. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #2
How do you "fire" a client? BKH70041 Nov 2014 #3
It's a way of thinking I guess - and actually illustrates my point. KentuckyWoman Nov 2014 #8
As a business owner, I would say I terminated my relationship with the client. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #10
Why divert the thread over a word choice? valerief Nov 2014 #13
It made perfect sense to me. 99Forever Nov 2014 #42
It's quite commonly used that way. whopis01 Nov 2014 #56
Words mean what we want them to mean dumbcat Nov 2014 #59
I had no problem understanding the OP. Control-Z Nov 2014 #63
She F%CKING fired his sorry ass and as far ad I'm concerned, the wording she used was PERFECT!! Ecumenist Nov 2014 #67
And it is a good point. zeemike Nov 2014 #31
I actually need employers more then anyone might ever need me. I'm an Heather Kube Nov 2014 #58
I'm really sorry renate Nov 2014 #61
REALLY? YOU BELIEVE THAT? WHAT is ANY company WITHOUT the employees? Ecumenist Nov 2014 #68
Hey, Ecumenist--long time, no see! MADem Nov 2014 #75
very well said. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #41
tiresome. mopinko Nov 2014 #19
It's easy. You just refuse to take on any more work from them. MineralMan Nov 2014 #23
"No, I'm all booked up" will do it Warpy Nov 2014 #38
I don't have to say "I'm sorry." You're right. MineralMan Nov 2014 #43
MINERAL-MY man...Allow me to give you this... Ecumenist Nov 2014 #69
Kudos to this Payday lenders randys1 Nov 2014 #77
I simply won't work for any predatory business. MineralMan Nov 2014 #78
I knew one of the biggest ones in the country on a message board a few years back randys1 Nov 2014 #80
There's a difference between one guy lending a few bucks to MineralMan Nov 2014 #81
"I don't want to work for you anymore. You're a pain in the ass and you never pay on time." Throd Nov 2014 #44
How the world changed over night. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #4
One may not wear sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #17
Unfortunately, I think that is happening to our entire country. nt truebluegreen Nov 2014 #71
There are so many times when I wish the top 1% could be switched with the bottom 1% hollysmom Nov 2014 #5
Like in this movie. valerief Nov 2014 #15
Yes, all the 1% are exactly like this bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #24
I don't think they are all like that, just a lot of them. hollysmom Nov 2014 #29
Respect? It's about exploitation bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #46
I disagree. hollysmom Nov 2014 #48
I also disagree ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #60
Absolutes are stupid joeglow3 Nov 2014 #53
The 1% is ABSOLUTELY exploiting & oppressing the rest of us bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #55
By that logic, you own it just as much joeglow3 Nov 2014 #62
The 1% believe they should run everything as we are Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #39
You can only eat 1% shit for so long. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #6
I've experienced similar circumstances. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #7
I have not had the same experience, hollysmom Nov 2014 #35
I don't think there was much planning on this. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #47
The company doesn't remain topheavy for long... hughee99 Nov 2014 #40
Congratulations TNNurse Nov 2014 #9
ah, that IS molly! ellennelle Nov 2014 #14
That's WUNNNderful, KentuckyWoman! calimary Nov 2014 #11
Does DU allow duplicate handles? nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #12
Terrific on two counts: that you did it and were able to do it. Bravo. nt valerief Nov 2014 #16
Actually it's bit of a hit. KentuckyWoman Nov 2014 #18
Sorry to hear it. Hope you get other clients soon to make up for the loss. nt valerief Nov 2014 #20
Two things PSPS Nov 2014 #21
That is a very clever way of avoiding discussions where you can't win. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #27
Fired, resigned, let go... SoapBox Nov 2014 #32
I used to be appalled by the brutality of the French and Russian revolutionaries. sarge43 Nov 2014 #22
I also used to feel superior to the Germans who let the Nazis take over. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #25
I so agree with you drmeow Nov 2014 #54
KentuckyWoman, I'm curious how you went about telling this client that he was fired. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #26
Bravo and... SoapBox Nov 2014 #28
Good for you, and I hope he knows why Populist_Prole Nov 2014 #30
And those who slave in China deserve better than they are getting too. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #33
My Father used to deal quite a lot with the very rich. He seldom said anything about them. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #34
You could have asked him if he thought socialism was a good idea Major Nikon Nov 2014 #36
Thank you for being brave, smart and caring! glinda Nov 2014 #37
I think this needs to come out more... Locrian Nov 2014 #45
There is a class war going on Depaysement Nov 2014 #49
Keystone is designed to supply China and India the oil they need to fuel the economy whereisjustice Nov 2014 #50
Good post, very informative nikto Nov 2014 #64
Wow. You must have some fuckwads as clients joeglow3 Nov 2014 #51
profit KentuckyWoman Nov 2014 #82
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #52
That client must have been pretty horrible, good for you ! steve2470 Nov 2014 #57
K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #65
Classic sadistic slave owner mentality. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #66
I can empathize with you KW Denis 11 Nov 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #72
Setting the mark just a little impossibly high? IMO, that standard would be no standard at all. Hortensis Nov 2014 #73
I've never fired a client for their political views. dawg Nov 2014 #74
Good for you Tsiyu Nov 2014 #76
Proud of you Kentucky Woman...If we ALL did this it would be called a GENERAL STRIKE randys1 Nov 2014 #79
a guy has gotta do what a guy has gotta do. fxstc Nov 2014 #83

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,636 posts)
2. That people like him exist is simply appalling.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

You did the right thing.

I really don't have the words to express my disgust at this person's "thinking."

K&R

BKH70041

(961 posts)
3. How do you "fire" a client?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

To have someone work for you that's also a client isn't something you hear about often, though it can happen. Do you mean you decided to no longer have him as a client anymore?

KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
8. It's a way of thinking I guess - and actually illustrates my point.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:49 PM
Nov 2014

You can fire your boss just like they can fire you....

In tough economic times we may feel like we have no choice but we always do. Maybe not good choices but we have choices. Mentally we have to get that into our heads. We deserve respect as workers as well as financial reward.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
10. As a business owner, I would say I terminated my relationship with the client.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014

The "fire" thing didn't make sense because that typically is an employer/employee realationship term, so I asked.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
42. It made perfect sense to me.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

I've fired one than one employer. They ain't all that and a bag of chips.

whopis01

(3,514 posts)
56. It's quite commonly used that way.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

I am surprised you hadn't come across it or could figure out the meaning.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
59. Words mean what we want them to mean
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:51 PM
Nov 2014

Dictionary meanings are too limiting. It's all in the context.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
67. She F%CKING fired his sorry ass and as far ad I'm concerned, the wording she used was PERFECT!!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:33 AM
Nov 2014

I hate to say this but his types are going to say the WRONG thing to the WRONG person one day and he will be permanently fired from those of us who breath, mark my words. If ANYONE believes that there is NO CHANCE of the French Revolution and the Bastille's return, LOL, MARK MY WORDS, IT WILL RETURN. You can ONLY push people so much.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
31. And it is a good point.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:46 PM
Nov 2014

But we have been beaten down with language and accept the subservient position of being fired while they do not.

We serve them at their pleasure, and don't realize that they need us more than we need them.

Heather Kube

(19 posts)
58. I actually need employers more then anyone might ever need me. I'm an
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:50 PM
Nov 2014

artist. I have like no people skills. All my relationships have been abusive. I've been in therapy since I was 15. But I don't think it has been successful because I'm now back with an abusive boyfriend. I'm in seminary now, but all these people are so fucked up. So always I depend on people just being kind to me. I wish we had a program like they do in Canada where artists get a stipend every month. I need an apartment and a stipend. I'll never be able to have my own apartment, but I know how to use sex to get what I want, so I'll like never be homeless, but I'm going to be 34 soon. So yeah. I need employers and lovers.

renate

(13,776 posts)
61. I'm really sorry
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:29 PM
Nov 2014

It makes me sad to hear that all your relationships have been abusive, including the one you're in now. I'm sure you know all about shelters and stuff so rather than offering advice I'll just offer my sympathy and good wishes.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
68. REALLY? YOU BELIEVE THAT? WHAT is ANY company WITHOUT the employees?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:36 AM
Nov 2014

I own a few businesses and I ALWAYS tell the people who work WITH ME the flipping truth, WITHOUT YOU, I HAVE no business. I CANNOT serve the clientele I have BY MYSELF and if they think they can...GOOD LUCK TRYING!

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
19. tiresome.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:08 PM
Nov 2014

i got it. everyone else will get it. i think it is a great way to look at it.
empowering.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
23. It's easy. You just refuse to take on any more work from them.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

I've done it a number of times, usually before I even accept the first job. I research all of my clients before contracting with them for projects. I've said, "Sorry, no thanks." many times.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
43. I don't have to say "I'm sorry." You're right.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

But, I don't say "I'm all booked up," because I'm not. I've turned down contracts when I really needed the money. Normally, clients I turn down don't actually ask me why. If they, do, I'll tell them why. I suspect that most of them already know.

I write the content of complete new websites for small to mid-sized businesses. I work with a single web designer most of the time. If I refuse the job, he refuses the job. In fact, he relies on my to do the research on potential clients and trusts me to get it right. Here are some typical clients with whom I will not work:

Pornography websites
Right Wing or even Republican political websites
Bogus alternative medical websites
Websites for any business that uses predatory marketing tactics
Websites for businesses owned by people who have multiple court judgments against them. I pay the $25 for a search
Websites that are in an illegal business
Payday lenders
Aggressive mortgage brokers
Religious websites (I'm an atheist and won't write that stuff)
Websites for any business that exploits anyone, from customers to employees (I research this carefully on a range of websites)
Websites for any business that makes me feel icky somehow
Websites for anyone who I meet and who looks like he or she will be a PITA to work with.
Other websites I simply don't want to write

I don't have to turn down many contracts, but there have been a number of them over time.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
77. Kudos to this Payday lenders
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:17 PM
Nov 2014

They are the lowest form of life, they target military installations to prey on our service members.

Jesus wanted to overturn their tables, I want to ..... ............... .......................

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
78. I simply won't work for any predatory business.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:23 PM
Nov 2014

And there are many of them. It's a matter of principle for me.

That said, I borrowed many times from 6 for 5 individual lenders when in the USAF, near the end of the month when the money ran out. But, I was single and my borrowing was for stuff I wanted, not stuff I needed, and only in small amounts, like $10.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
80. I knew one of the biggest ones in the country on a message board a few years back
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

When he proudly told us he was opening stores next to all these military bases, and when I angrily shot back at him for being a predator, he truly and sincerely couldnt understand my anger or why it was an issue.

Now, you say you needed this service at various times, so I say fine but there has to be a non profit way to do it if only just for service members.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
81. There's a difference between one guy lending a few bucks to
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:30 PM
Nov 2014

someone and getting a little more back in return and what payday lenders do. A big difference. OTOH, if I had cash and someone else didn't at the end of the month, I'd lend a person a small amount, and be happy to just get it back without any profit. Some guys wanted to make a profit. It was small beans, really. Payday lenders want to hook you into a loan you can never actually pay back, so they can keep profiting on it for a long time. That's predatory.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
44. "I don't want to work for you anymore. You're a pain in the ass and you never pay on time."
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:26 PM
Nov 2014

That's how I did it once.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
4. How the world changed over night.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

So, in other words, the Republicans who galvanized us to hate all things Chinese at one time have given up spreading American freedom around the world, and instead, have become the dictators and despots that they once tried to destroy.

My sociology teacher was right. Leaders and activists do sometimes succumb and become the evil they once fought against.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
5. There are so many times when I wish the top 1% could be switched with the bottom 1%
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:34 PM
Nov 2014

It is like they don't realize the value of what brought them to where they are, they believe it was because of their magic self.
When I look around I see how blessed (in a non-religious way) that I have been from a loving family where I was a wanted child, through having a family there for me when I needed them all the time and a family that worked hard with 2 jobs so we could have what we needed to get educated and be safe. There are so many who don't have these things that makes life like walking a tight rope, one slip on an unlucky blast of wind and they are down.

As a human we are supposed to be intelligent, but the ignorance of those who have it easy is appalling. This is why we are doomed.

I do want to add that not all the 1% are like this, but enough are to cause more pain for all.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
29. I don't think they are all like that, just a lot of them.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:44 PM
Nov 2014

Some people teach their kids to respect everyone and some people just have it in themselves to treat people with respect. And with respect comes understanding.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
46. Respect? It's about exploitation
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:32 PM
Nov 2014

The kind of wealth now concentrated in the 1% is not earned, it is stolen from the rest of us. It is stolen by the use of "power over" the rest of us.

I suspect that by "treating people with respect" you are referring to courtesy, politeness. That's talking pretty. Just like their often-vaunted "charity" is talking pretty. It means nothing.

You cannot be a 1%er and not be "like than" - ie, the recipient of undeserved gains off the backs of labor and the commonwealth, made possible by illegitimate (whether "legal" or not) power.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
48. I disagree.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:49 PM
Nov 2014

I guess anyone who does not give away every thing they have would not be a decent person to you, People can accept their advantages and realize other people are worth something and try and change the world, but you can't really change a business without money. So giving it up would make that person powerless. I like that guy who started Costco - did he give away all his money? no, but he did give people a good health care package, a decent salary without taking everything for himself. You don't have to wear a hair shirt to be a good person.

I used to earn a good living when I worked, definitely top 20% - did I ever say you are paying me too much and give the money back? no.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
60. I also disagree
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:14 PM
Nov 2014

to some extant. I've known many people who make about $300,000 or so per year who I don't find exploitative or not decent. I've even worked for a few of them at private companies and found they were very decent employers.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
53. Absolutes are stupid
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

I had a client that owned a printing company that grew into 6 factories across the US. Him and his wife worked 80 hours a week for years to start the business, as they had nothing when they started. Being around the fumes eventually left her sterile (after two kids, one with disabilities). When she was in her 60's and 70's, she had severe health issues from the work (which eventually took her life). They always gave 50% of the profits back to their employees.

Now, I agree with your statement about many. But to label everyone is ignorant.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
55. The 1% is ABSOLUTELY exploiting & oppressing the rest of us
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

- not to mention bearing the major responsibility for destroying the ecosystem to keep their profits flowing. It simply doesn't matter if some occasional individual is "nice" or more "generous" or in some rare instance actually worked harder than his/her class cohorts. If you have the money and the power and privilege that goes along with it, you own the exploitation and oppression - and the deaths - as well.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
62. By that logic, you own it just as much
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:57 PM
Nov 2014

We are all humans, so that common thread means we are all equally reponsible.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
39. The 1% believe they should run everything as we are
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

not smart enough. They justify their greedy actions in many ways, but it usually boils down to they are better, smarter than the rest of us. They have no clue as to reality because they don't hang with the rest of us. They accept the Fox News version of the poor

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
6. You can only eat 1% shit for so long.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:41 PM
Nov 2014

The company my husband used to work for outsourced two departments to India. They brought the Indians over here for training, all very young, early 20s. Only one has passable English, so he is the designated speaker. They swarmed the work area, taking pens, notepads, changing monitor settings, being generally disrespectful to the workers who are training them & going to lose their jobs. I told my husband to tell them to fuck off & buy a six pack on the way home.

For all the money the company saves by shipping middle class jobs overseas, they hire more & more directors & VPs every week. The company is so top heavy it is amazing.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. I've experienced similar circumstances.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:47 PM
Nov 2014

"They swarmed the work area, taking pens, notepads, changing monitor settings, being generally disrespectful to the workers who are training them & going to lose their jobs."

Could anything be more heartless.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
35. I have not had the same experience,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

when the Indians that were going to take our jobs came in, they were very human and pleasant, I don't know if they understood about taking the jobs, but they were young and overwhelmed, all spoke perfect English as do a lot of Indians. They were occupied by the English for a long time, so the languages is common. They are not exactly going to get rich from the job, I did have long lunches with quite a few of them and found there were all kinds of levels and ridiculous rules like no more than 2 day vacations in a row, no week off for them. Once they have grown in experience most likely to be fired because they would be due for a raise, so job churning was common as the lowest salary was the company goal. Perhaps it was that they were there for a year that made the difference.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
47. I don't think there was much planning on this.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:45 PM
Nov 2014

Some spreadsheet guy made the decision & he doesn't really understand what the departments do. There was some kind of lawsuit several years ago & there is still an underlying hostility toward this unit. The Indian team does not have the skillset needed to do the job & we've speculated that failure might be what the company wants. Who knows.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
40. The company doesn't remain topheavy for long...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

before long, upper management realizes that they can outsource (or do without) the lower management and get rewarded with raises.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
9. Congratulations
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014

You have kept your self-respect, integrity and humanity. Your ex-client is lacking in common decency.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
14. ah, that IS molly!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:59 PM
Nov 2014

in an earlier thread, i asked about that, and then didn't follow up, forgot where i'd commented, and had no time to chase it down.

yes, i miss molly too. she was an absolute pearl in the scum of TX, along with anne richards and now wendy.

sure wish you had some such pearls in TN; why don't you think about it?



(just a thought)

calimary

(81,320 posts)
11. That's WUNNNderful, KentuckyWoman!
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:55 PM
Nov 2014

Wonder how that 1%'er feels about marrying his own capitalist selfishness so intimately to the COMMIES - COMMUNIST CHINA no less!!!!!

Strange bedfellows indeed!

KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
18. Actually it's bit of a hit.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:08 PM
Nov 2014

about 20% of my income is from this account and without that income there is going to be a lot of ramen noodles and hoping the gas in the car makes it all week. But been here before and it won't last forever.

But yes, it doesn't mean homelessness which is a great advantage when it comes to choosing to fire an employer.....

PSPS

(13,601 posts)
21. Two things
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nov 2014

1. You "resign" a client.

2. I never discuss politics with my clients. If they ask me about anything political, I jokingly say, "It's an amazing thing, but my attitudes about such things always exactly matches those of my client!" They get the point and we talk about other things instead.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
27. That is a very clever way of avoiding discussions where you can't win.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:37 PM
Nov 2014

I will, however, say that when I worked at an accounting firm, we all used the term "fired" when we told a client that we would no longer do their work. So at least in my neck of the woods, it is a familiar term.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
32. Fired, resigned, let go...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

They are all just words and descriptions for not working any longer with fuckers.

We've "fired" so-called customers (after always bending over backwards first)...they've been told that we can no longer have a "relationship" with them.

The "customer" is NOT always right.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
22. I used to be appalled by the brutality of the French and Russian revolutionaries.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

I'm beginning to understand why.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
25. I also used to feel superior to the Germans who let the Nazis take over.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

After 9/11, I understood exactly how it could happen here.

And I used to feel sorry for the poor "Soviets" who got nothing but propaganda from their media. Hah! Little did I know ...

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
26. KentuckyWoman, I'm curious how you went about telling this client that he was fired.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

Did you explain your position to this cretin?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
28. Bravo and...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:43 PM
Nov 2014

I so understand that "sense of entitlement" attitude.

I work with a LOT of major airline pilots. While there are many that are nice guys (and very few gals)...I am just aghast at the superior, entitled and "can't stand that O-bama" attitude.

Talk about a privileged, Good-Old-Boys-Club, with the power of GOD behind them (ALPA), that think of themselves as a god like figure, sucking up 6 to 7 figures...and then have the brass to whiiiiiiiiine.

I could just implode many times.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
30. Good for you, and I hope he knows why
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:45 PM
Nov 2014

Not that he'd have a sudden epiphany of sorts and realize he's a jerk, but at least he realizes there's a huge bloc of people that outnumber him.

BTW, I have am noticing that sort of bold disdain for the working class more and more in the past half-dozen years or so. Both in person and also many "regulars" on non-political discussion forums I've been on a long long time; regulars that were heretofore decent people even if the conversation turned political/economic....or so I thought. It's like their tongues are loosened due to alcohol and they got brutally frank and vicious.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. And those who slave in China deserve better than they are getting too.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:49 PM
Nov 2014

World trade should mean more dignity for all working people everywhere. It does not, and that is why I oppose it.

As it is now organized and as it now functions, world trade, the global economy is just a way to oppress more people and enrich the very tip-top few all the more.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
34. My Father used to deal quite a lot with the very rich. He seldom said anything about them.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

As I grew up and understood my Father more and more, his silence regarding the very rich became also frighteningly clear. I learned (also), he believed in the old saying "If you can't say something nice about..."

Rest his soul.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. You could have asked him if he thought socialism was a good idea
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

China's high speed rail is owned and operated by the government and built for economic stimulus purposes, which makes it more than just a little bit socialist.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
45. I think this needs to come out more...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

I've seen the same thing the farther up I deal with in corporate life. The absolute disdain for anyone who happens to be poor.

I guess most decent people don't realize how bad it can (will) get when there are no challenges to the powerful. So they want to believe that things are "bad luck" and that the elite WANT to help - not that they are actively waging war against them.

This has been going on all thru history, and the fight gets VERY ugly when the mask falls and we see the quality of character beneath it.

We need to see/hear more about this sort of thing and expose the "morality" and "culture" of it.





(standard disclaimer: I know ALL rich are not bad and all poor are not good, yada, yada, yada....)





whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
50. Keystone is designed to supply China and India the oil they need to fuel the economy
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:55 PM
Nov 2014

created by being given all of our jobs. The 1% are hoping that easy access to our oil drives down growing labor costs in Asia.

BTW: those labor costs are why Democratic Party is pushing for TPP, India is getting expensive and china is getting uppity.

Vietnam promises to work for 1/4 the price of India.

Make no mistake, conservatives dominating the festering US political system (yes, that includes Democrats, especially the "moderates&quot LOVE communism. Nothing brings capitalism and totalitarianism together like cheap unregulated labor and no environmental protections.

Speaking of festering, I wonder where Hillary is on TPP?

Right. The Queen of NAFTA says Asia first. The US somewhere farther down the line after multinational bankers and insurance companies.

More trickle down goat shit from the 3rd way.

NAFTA promoters in the '90s promised increased U.S. exports and jobs, with shrinking trade deficits. Senior Fellows of the Peterson Institute for International Economics (PIIE), projected a NAFTA-induced trade surplus with Mexico, in turn, creating 170,000 new U.S. jobs by 1995. Within two years of NAFTA's passage, PIIE prognosticators readjusted their projection of new NAFTA-created jobs downward to "zero." The same group, created by billionaire corporate cheerleader Pete Peterson, is again forecasting increased exports and jobs if the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is passed.

Referencing 19 serious pre-NAFTA economic studies projecting zero net job loss if NAFTA were to pass, President Bill Clinton estimated the creation of 200,000 U.S. jobs within two years, and 1 million within five years, based on a projected export boom to Mexico. Twenty years after Clinton signed NAFTA into law, Global Trade Watch reports a 450 percent increase in the U.S. trade deficit, resulting in the export of almost one million jobs, and downward pressure on wages.

In fact, the average annual U.S. agricultural trade deficit with Mexico and Canada ballooned to almost three times the pre-NAFTA level, to $975 million within two decades of NAFTA's passage, eliminating an estimated one million net U.S. jobs by 2004, reports the Economic Policy Institute. As U.S. food processors moved to Mexico to take advantage of low wages, U.S. food imports soared. Public Citizen has tallied in a comprehensive report the promises by U.S. corporations to create specific numbers of jobs if NAFTA passed, and the consequent record of many of the same firms who relocated jobs to Mexico and Canada. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-swenson/nafta-the-transpacific-clinton_b_5523327.html




 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
51. Wow. You must have some fuckwads as clients
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:00 PM
Nov 2014

I spent 8 years in Big Four public accounting and worked with many extremely wealthy people. There was the one who owned a company worth hundreds of millions of dollars. When his wife died, he decided half belonged to her and donates over 50% of what he makes every year to charity (and almost all his wealth goes to charity in his estate). Then, there was the one takes half the profits of his business every year and gives bonuses to his employees.

Now, there were some assbags, but they were less than half. For you to have 100% of yours be assbags is amazing.

KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
82. profit
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:43 AM
Nov 2014

by nature someone has to be denied the full benefit of their labor for the investor to keep a part of the wealth created.

It is nice they set up foundations etc but I don't see a lot of Warren Buffets out there pushing fpr higher wages and benefits for the masses.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
57. That client must have been pretty horrible, good for you !
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:44 PM
Nov 2014

You stood up for social justice and unfortunately short-term you will suffer for it. Best wishes to you, and you did the right thing. If everyone did as you did, maybe just maybe the guy will get a clue, change his attitude and his business practices.

Denis 11

(280 posts)
70. I can empathize with you KW
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:43 AM
Nov 2014

I had worked in Greenwich CT and vicinity and experienced the contempt of my wealthy customers. My coworkers and I were desensitized to how terrible they behaved until we worked in a different town for a month. We were bewildered by how nice our new customers were. When I had an opportunity to work in another town I took it although it involved a longer commute.

Response to KentuckyWoman (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
73. Setting the mark just a little impossibly high? IMO, that standard would be no standard at all.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

I fired a client once for much the same reason, and good for KentuckyWoman. Permanent dissolution of relationship at will and for cause. One of the perks of being an independent businessperson.

As for the guy, a wealth of studies have found that too much wealth is bad for morality and leads many, most but not all, to often extremely shabby behavior toward their "inferiors," an enormous group of almost all others of course. This one sounds very typical.

Since so much power has shifted into the hands of these people, away from We The People, we really all should know more about them. It makes fascinating reading, and appalling given the danger they pose to our republic. Of course, we're really talking about the upper part of the 1% pyramid, the wide bottom just being upper middle class these days.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
74. I've never fired a client for their political views.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:13 PM
Nov 2014

I'm generally tolerant of all opinions, and I recognize that my clients are the people who pay my salary. But I didn't start my own professional practice in order to be treated like a peon, either.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
76. Good for you
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:04 PM
Nov 2014

I am so confused, though.

Your scum employer wants high speed rail so badly, he doesn't care who gets hurt. He needs to talk to the Koch Brothers, as they are the ones who DON'T want it and are blocking it everywhere:
http://www.attn.com/stories/295/monopoly-men-how-two-billionaires-are-destroying-high-speed-rail-america

"It turns out that the high speed rail debate is anything but dry, but if you spend ten minutes- or even a few hours- googling the topic, you’re bound to think otherwise. I began with California, given the sheer longevity of the project, and there’s plenty of discussion about the progress and setbacks of CHSR. The total cost of the project is estimated at $68 billion, and funding has unsurprisingly been the primary source of partisan contention. In 2008, voters approved Proposition 1A, which allocated $9.95 billion in funding and requires federal matching funds. Over the next few years, plans continued to progress; you can find a more detailed and accurate summary than the one I could give here.

In July 2012, Governor Jerry Brown signed an initial funding bill, which included the issuance of $2.2 billion in state bonds, unlocking $3.6 billion in federal funds for construction. But since then, U.S. Representative Jeff Denham of Modesto has worked to unravel funding plans in Washington. Denham introduced an amendment to the 2015 Transportation, Housing & Urban Development (THUD) funding bill, approved by House Republicans over the summer, which specifically prohibits any funding from being used for high speed rail in California. After blocking federal money for the bullet train, Denham then characterized high speed rail as a pipe dream to the media, citing the funding gap but neglecting to mention his own role in creating the shortfall. Still, that’s politics; I was beginning to get bored. Some people want to build the train, some people say the train is too expensive. This all sounded like a big boondoggle and a bigger headache.

But as I continued to research CHSR funding, attempting to make sense of all the numbers and propositions and amendments, a claim on a site called California High Speed Rail Blog caught my eye. In a post titled, “Don’t Let the Reason Foundation Railroad California,” from 2009, the author states, “One of the most persistent HSR deniers and opponents of the California HSR project has been the Reason Foundation. Funded in part by oil and auto companies, they were behind the notorious Cox-Vranich report released last year in an effort to defeat Prop 1A.” The Reason Foundation- I’d heard the name mentioned in connection with a few experts in a few articles, but what was it? How was Reason influencing the debate surrounding high speed rail? And did it have some sort of vested interest in doing so?

reason foundation

Like most think tanks, the Reason Foundation describes itself in the sort of generic terms it’s difficult to find fault with. The name alone suggests a decidedly non-biased group of stoic scholars, quietly pursuing truth from behind half-moon glasses and distinguished facial hair. The Reasonable Foundation of People Who Always Consider Information Carefully. The Foundation of Being Extremely Logical Like Basically Vulcans on Earth. The Seriously What Even is Partisanship We’re Just Doing Research Over Here Foundation. The page marked “About Reason” on their site gives a similar impression, stating, “Reason Foundation's nonpartisan public policy research promotes choice, competition, and a dynamic market economy as the foundation for human dignity and progress. Reason produces rigorous, peer reviewed research and directly engages the policy process, seeking strategies that emphasize cooperation, flexibility, local knowledge, transparency, accountability and results.” Choice? Competition? Rigorous? Research? Those all sound okay. And so it should come as absolutely no surprise that, one click away, on a page titled “Trustees & Officers”, I came across an all-too-familiar name."


Your rich dude needs to get with these other rich dudes and they need to get their shit together. It appears our overlords are at odds with each other...

And, fuck all of them, by the way


randys1

(16,286 posts)
79. Proud of you Kentucky Woman...If we ALL did this it would be called a GENERAL STRIKE
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:25 PM
Nov 2014

The most effective way to tell these disgusting pigfucks where to get off is to turn EVERYTHING off for a while, including the internet and electricity and so on.

Make it uncomfortable for the bastards, but we cant do that so what CAN we do?

We can all refuse to work for a week or something, if we ALL did it, the first to whine and cry would be those of the 2% who take for granted every single factor of life that keeps them alive and warm and safe and fed, etc.

Maybe we should do it before climate change does it for us.

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