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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI fired a client I've had for 20 yrs this week ( a 1%er)
Look, I expect a certain amount of "let um eat cake" from the wealthier clients. Pretty much all of them are offended by being expected to pay anyone for anything. They all have this disgusting sense of entitlement. But there comes a point when someone is just so putrid it's embarrassing to be in any way associated with them.
He's the last of my 1%er clients to be fired within the last 5 years and done after he spouted off about how great China is that they don't let pesky things like human rights or the environment get in the way of building high speed rail. He'd love it if we could be them and the undeserving masses of America could be slaves living in squalor while he could speed past at 300 mph in luxury comfort. The rant was breathtaking in it's boldness. He didn't make any effort at all to even so much as phrase his hatred of the non-1% in any sort of palatable terms. The man is clearly in full love and worship of of "Communist China".
I am posting this because I want everyone to understand that the outsourcing of decent American jobs to slave labor countries is not just about rich people's greed for more profit. There is so much more to that dynamic than money and a callous disregard for other humans. For many of them, there is a perverse joy that comes from seeing their servant's suffering.
When we fight for economic justice we have to keep this in mind. Our parents and grandparents in the early days of unionization fought hard for worker rights that are being dismantled. Not just to push wages down but to retrain the younger workers not to ask too much. Not to expect too much.... to just be grateful some 1% cares enough to be abusive to them kind of twisted thinking.
That is much of our battle. To make sure all workers everywhere understand their value and expect to be treated fairly and with respect.
therehegoes
(37 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,636 posts)You did the right thing.
I really don't have the words to express my disgust at this person's "thinking."
K&R
BKH70041
(961 posts)To have someone work for you that's also a client isn't something you hear about often, though it can happen. Do you mean you decided to no longer have him as a client anymore?
KentuckyWoman
(6,687 posts)You can fire your boss just like they can fire you....
In tough economic times we may feel like we have no choice but we always do. Maybe not good choices but we have choices. Mentally we have to get that into our heads. We deserve respect as workers as well as financial reward.
BKH70041
(961 posts)The "fire" thing didn't make sense because that typically is an employer/employee realationship term, so I asked.
valerief
(53,235 posts)No response is necessary or desired.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I've fired one than one employer. They ain't all that and a bag of chips.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)I am surprised you hadn't come across it or could figure out the meaning.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Dictionary meanings are too limiting. It's all in the context.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I have a feeling you understood it as well.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)I hate to say this but his types are going to say the WRONG thing to the WRONG person one day and he will be permanently fired from those of us who breath, mark my words. If ANYONE believes that there is NO CHANCE of the French Revolution and the Bastille's return, LOL, MARK MY WORDS, IT WILL RETURN. You can ONLY push people so much.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But we have been beaten down with language and accept the subservient position of being fired while they do not.
We serve them at their pleasure, and don't realize that they need us more than we need them.
Heather Kube
(19 posts)artist. I have like no people skills. All my relationships have been abusive. I've been in therapy since I was 15. But I don't think it has been successful because I'm now back with an abusive boyfriend. I'm in seminary now, but all these people are so fucked up. So always I depend on people just being kind to me. I wish we had a program like they do in Canada where artists get a stipend every month. I need an apartment and a stipend. I'll never be able to have my own apartment, but I know how to use sex to get what I want, so I'll like never be homeless, but I'm going to be 34 soon. So yeah. I need employers and lovers.
renate
(13,776 posts)It makes me sad to hear that all your relationships have been abusive, including the one you're in now. I'm sure you know all about shelters and stuff so rather than offering advice I'll just offer my sympathy and good wishes.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)I own a few businesses and I ALWAYS tell the people who work WITH ME the flipping truth, WITHOUT YOU, I HAVE no business. I CANNOT serve the clientele I have BY MYSELF and if they think they can...GOOD LUCK TRYING!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hope everything is well with you.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)mopinko
(70,127 posts)i got it. everyone else will get it. i think it is a great way to look at it.
empowering.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I've done it a number of times, usually before I even accept the first job. I research all of my clients before contracting with them for projects. I've said, "Sorry, no thanks." many times.
Warpy
(111,275 posts)You don't have to say you're sorry because you're not.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)But, I don't say "I'm all booked up," because I'm not. I've turned down contracts when I really needed the money. Normally, clients I turn down don't actually ask me why. If they, do, I'll tell them why. I suspect that most of them already know.
I write the content of complete new websites for small to mid-sized businesses. I work with a single web designer most of the time. If I refuse the job, he refuses the job. In fact, he relies on my to do the research on potential clients and trusts me to get it right. Here are some typical clients with whom I will not work:
Pornography websites
Right Wing or even Republican political websites
Bogus alternative medical websites
Websites for any business that uses predatory marketing tactics
Websites for businesses owned by people who have multiple court judgments against them. I pay the $25 for a search
Websites that are in an illegal business
Payday lenders
Aggressive mortgage brokers
Religious websites (I'm an atheist and won't write that stuff)
Websites for any business that exploits anyone, from customers to employees (I research this carefully on a range of websites)
Websites for any business that makes me feel icky somehow
Websites for anyone who I meet and who looks like he or she will be a PITA to work with.
Other websites I simply don't want to write
I don't have to turn down many contracts, but there have been a number of them over time.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)They are the lowest form of life, they target military installations to prey on our service members.
Jesus wanted to overturn their tables, I want to ..... ............... .......................
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)And there are many of them. It's a matter of principle for me.
That said, I borrowed many times from 6 for 5 individual lenders when in the USAF, near the end of the month when the money ran out. But, I was single and my borrowing was for stuff I wanted, not stuff I needed, and only in small amounts, like $10.
randys1
(16,286 posts)When he proudly told us he was opening stores next to all these military bases, and when I angrily shot back at him for being a predator, he truly and sincerely couldnt understand my anger or why it was an issue.
Now, you say you needed this service at various times, so I say fine but there has to be a non profit way to do it if only just for service members.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)someone and getting a little more back in return and what payday lenders do. A big difference. OTOH, if I had cash and someone else didn't at the end of the month, I'd lend a person a small amount, and be happy to just get it back without any profit. Some guys wanted to make a profit. It was small beans, really. Payday lenders want to hook you into a loan you can never actually pay back, so they can keep profiting on it for a long time. That's predatory.
Throd
(7,208 posts)That's how I did it once.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)So, in other words, the Republicans who galvanized us to hate all things Chinese at one time have given up spreading American freedom around the world, and instead, have become the dictators and despots that they once tried to destroy.
My sociology teacher was right. Leaders and activists do sometimes succumb and become the evil they once fought against.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)the dark lord's ring without becoming the dark lord.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)It is like they don't realize the value of what brought them to where they are, they believe it was because of their magic self.
When I look around I see how blessed (in a non-religious way) that I have been from a loving family where I was a wanted child, through having a family there for me when I needed them all the time and a family that worked hard with 2 jobs so we could have what we needed to get educated and be safe. There are so many who don't have these things that makes life like walking a tight rope, one slip on an unlucky blast of wind and they are down.
As a human we are supposed to be intelligent, but the ignorance of those who have it easy is appalling. This is why we are doomed.
I do want to add that not all the 1% are like this, but enough are to cause more pain for all.
valerief
(53,235 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)... some may talk pretty, but so what?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Some people teach their kids to respect everyone and some people just have it in themselves to treat people with respect. And with respect comes understanding.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)The kind of wealth now concentrated in the 1% is not earned, it is stolen from the rest of us. It is stolen by the use of "power over" the rest of us.
I suspect that by "treating people with respect" you are referring to courtesy, politeness. That's talking pretty. Just like their often-vaunted "charity" is talking pretty. It means nothing.
You cannot be a 1%er and not be "like than" - ie, the recipient of undeserved gains off the backs of labor and the commonwealth, made possible by illegitimate (whether "legal" or not) power.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I guess anyone who does not give away every thing they have would not be a decent person to you, People can accept their advantages and realize other people are worth something and try and change the world, but you can't really change a business without money. So giving it up would make that person powerless. I like that guy who started Costco - did he give away all his money? no, but he did give people a good health care package, a decent salary without taking everything for himself. You don't have to wear a hair shirt to be a good person.
I used to earn a good living when I worked, definitely top 20% - did I ever say you are paying me too much and give the money back? no.
ctaylors6
(693 posts)to some extant. I've known many people who make about $300,000 or so per year who I don't find exploitative or not decent. I've even worked for a few of them at private companies and found they were very decent employers.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I had a client that owned a printing company that grew into 6 factories across the US. Him and his wife worked 80 hours a week for years to start the business, as they had nothing when they started. Being around the fumes eventually left her sterile (after two kids, one with disabilities). When she was in her 60's and 70's, she had severe health issues from the work (which eventually took her life). They always gave 50% of the profits back to their employees.
Now, I agree with your statement about many. But to label everyone is ignorant.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)- not to mention bearing the major responsibility for destroying the ecosystem to keep their profits flowing. It simply doesn't matter if some occasional individual is "nice" or more "generous" or in some rare instance actually worked harder than his/her class cohorts. If you have the money and the power and privilege that goes along with it, you own the exploitation and oppression - and the deaths - as well.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)We are all humans, so that common thread means we are all equally reponsible.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)not smart enough. They justify their greedy actions in many ways, but it usually boils down to they are better, smarter than the rest of us. They have no clue as to reality because they don't hang with the rest of us. They accept the Fox News version of the poor
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)The company my husband used to work for outsourced two departments to India. They brought the Indians over here for training, all very young, early 20s. Only one has passable English, so he is the designated speaker. They swarmed the work area, taking pens, notepads, changing monitor settings, being generally disrespectful to the workers who are training them & going to lose their jobs. I told my husband to tell them to fuck off & buy a six pack on the way home.
For all the money the company saves by shipping middle class jobs overseas, they hire more & more directors & VPs every week. The company is so top heavy it is amazing.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)"They swarmed the work area, taking pens, notepads, changing monitor settings, being generally disrespectful to the workers who are training them & going to lose their jobs."
Could anything be more heartless.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)when the Indians that were going to take our jobs came in, they were very human and pleasant, I don't know if they understood about taking the jobs, but they were young and overwhelmed, all spoke perfect English as do a lot of Indians. They were occupied by the English for a long time, so the languages is common. They are not exactly going to get rich from the job, I did have long lunches with quite a few of them and found there were all kinds of levels and ridiculous rules like no more than 2 day vacations in a row, no week off for them. Once they have grown in experience most likely to be fired because they would be due for a raise, so job churning was common as the lowest salary was the company goal. Perhaps it was that they were there for a year that made the difference.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Some spreadsheet guy made the decision & he doesn't really understand what the departments do. There was some kind of lawsuit several years ago & there is still an underlying hostility toward this unit. The Indian team does not have the skillset needed to do the job & we've speculated that failure might be what the company wants. Who knows.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)before long, upper management realizes that they can outsource (or do without) the lower management and get rewarded with raises.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)You have kept your self-respect, integrity and humanity. Your ex-client is lacking in common decency.
ellennelle
(614 posts)in an earlier thread, i asked about that, and then didn't follow up, forgot where i'd commented, and had no time to chase it down.
yes, i miss molly too. she was an absolute pearl in the scum of TX, along with anne richards and now wendy.
sure wish you had some such pearls in TN; why don't you think about it?
(just a thought)
calimary
(81,320 posts)Wonder how that 1%'er feels about marrying his own capitalist selfishness so intimately to the COMMIES - COMMUNIST CHINA no less!!!!!
Strange bedfellows indeed!
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,687 posts)about 20% of my income is from this account and without that income there is going to be a lot of ramen noodles and hoping the gas in the car makes it all week. But been here before and it won't last forever.
But yes, it doesn't mean homelessness which is a great advantage when it comes to choosing to fire an employer.....
valerief
(53,235 posts)PSPS
(13,601 posts)1. You "resign" a client.
2. I never discuss politics with my clients. If they ask me about anything political, I jokingly say, "It's an amazing thing, but my attitudes about such things always exactly matches those of my client!" They get the point and we talk about other things instead.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I will, however, say that when I worked at an accounting firm, we all used the term "fired" when we told a client that we would no longer do their work. So at least in my neck of the woods, it is a familiar term.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)They are all just words and descriptions for not working any longer with fuckers.
We've "fired" so-called customers (after always bending over backwards first)...they've been told that we can no longer have a "relationship" with them.
The "customer" is NOT always right.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)I'm beginning to understand why.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)After 9/11, I understood exactly how it could happen here.
And I used to feel sorry for the poor "Soviets" who got nothing but propaganda from their media. Hah! Little did I know ...
drmeow
(5,020 posts)I keep saying, "NOW I understand the Weimar Republic!"
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Did you explain your position to this cretin?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I so understand that "sense of entitlement" attitude.
I work with a LOT of major airline pilots. While there are many that are nice guys (and very few gals)...I am just aghast at the superior, entitled and "can't stand that O-bama" attitude.
Talk about a privileged, Good-Old-Boys-Club, with the power of GOD behind them (ALPA), that think of themselves as a god like figure, sucking up 6 to 7 figures...and then have the brass to whiiiiiiiiine.
I could just implode many times.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Not that he'd have a sudden epiphany of sorts and realize he's a jerk, but at least he realizes there's a huge bloc of people that outnumber him.
BTW, I have am noticing that sort of bold disdain for the working class more and more in the past half-dozen years or so. Both in person and also many "regulars" on non-political discussion forums I've been on a long long time; regulars that were heretofore decent people even if the conversation turned political/economic....or so I thought. It's like their tongues are loosened due to alcohol and they got brutally frank and vicious.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)World trade should mean more dignity for all working people everywhere. It does not, and that is why I oppose it.
As it is now organized and as it now functions, world trade, the global economy is just a way to oppress more people and enrich the very tip-top few all the more.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)As I grew up and understood my Father more and more, his silence regarding the very rich became also frighteningly clear. I learned (also), he believed in the old saying "If you can't say something nice about..."
Rest his soul.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)China's high speed rail is owned and operated by the government and built for economic stimulus purposes, which makes it more than just a little bit socialist.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)I've seen the same thing the farther up I deal with in corporate life. The absolute disdain for anyone who happens to be poor.
I guess most decent people don't realize how bad it can (will) get when there are no challenges to the powerful. So they want to believe that things are "bad luck" and that the elite WANT to help - not that they are actively waging war against them.
This has been going on all thru history, and the fight gets VERY ugly when the mask falls and we see the quality of character beneath it.
We need to see/hear more about this sort of thing and expose the "morality" and "culture" of it.
(standard disclaimer: I know ALL rich are not bad and all poor are not good, yada, yada, yada....)
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)And only one side's fighting.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)created by being given all of our jobs. The 1% are hoping that easy access to our oil drives down growing labor costs in Asia.
BTW: those labor costs are why Democratic Party is pushing for TPP, India is getting expensive and china is getting uppity.
Vietnam promises to work for 1/4 the price of India.
Make no mistake, conservatives dominating the festering US political system (yes, that includes Democrats, especially the "moderates" LOVE communism. Nothing brings capitalism and totalitarianism together like cheap unregulated labor and no environmental protections.
Speaking of festering, I wonder where Hillary is on TPP?
Right. The Queen of NAFTA says Asia first. The US somewhere farther down the line after multinational bankers and insurance companies.
More trickle down goat shit from the 3rd way.
Referencing 19 serious pre-NAFTA economic studies projecting zero net job loss if NAFTA were to pass, President Bill Clinton estimated the creation of 200,000 U.S. jobs within two years, and 1 million within five years, based on a projected export boom to Mexico. Twenty years after Clinton signed NAFTA into law, Global Trade Watch reports a 450 percent increase in the U.S. trade deficit, resulting in the export of almost one million jobs, and downward pressure on wages.
In fact, the average annual U.S. agricultural trade deficit with Mexico and Canada ballooned to almost three times the pre-NAFTA level, to $975 million within two decades of NAFTA's passage, eliminating an estimated one million net U.S. jobs by 2004, reports the Economic Policy Institute. As U.S. food processors moved to Mexico to take advantage of low wages, U.S. food imports soared. Public Citizen has tallied in a comprehensive report the promises by U.S. corporations to create specific numbers of jobs if NAFTA passed, and the consequent record of many of the same firms who relocated jobs to Mexico and Canada. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-swenson/nafta-the-transpacific-clinton_b_5523327.html
nikto
(3,284 posts)Lots of good info----Thanks for that!
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I spent 8 years in Big Four public accounting and worked with many extremely wealthy people. There was the one who owned a company worth hundreds of millions of dollars. When his wife died, he decided half belonged to her and donates over 50% of what he makes every year to charity (and almost all his wealth goes to charity in his estate). Then, there was the one takes half the profits of his business every year and gives bonuses to his employees.
Now, there were some assbags, but they were less than half. For you to have 100% of yours be assbags is amazing.
KentuckyWoman
(6,687 posts)by nature someone has to be denied the full benefit of their labor for the investor to keep a part of the wealth created.
It is nice they set up foundations etc but I don't see a lot of Warren Buffets out there pushing fpr higher wages and benefits for the masses.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)You stood up for social justice and unfortunately short-term you will suffer for it. Best wishes to you, and you did the right thing. If everyone did as you did, maybe just maybe the guy will get a clue, change his attitude and his business practices.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Good for you. And good for your employees. Thank for your inspiring OP!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Denis 11
(280 posts)I had worked in Greenwich CT and vicinity and experienced the contempt of my wealthy customers. My coworkers and I were desensitized to how terrible they behaved until we worked in a different town for a month. We were bewildered by how nice our new customers were. When I had an opportunity to work in another town I took it although it involved a longer commute.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I fired a client once for much the same reason, and good for KentuckyWoman. Permanent dissolution of relationship at will and for cause. One of the perks of being an independent businessperson.
As for the guy, a wealth of studies have found that too much wealth is bad for morality and leads many, most but not all, to often extremely shabby behavior toward their "inferiors," an enormous group of almost all others of course. This one sounds very typical.
Since so much power has shifted into the hands of these people, away from We The People, we really all should know more about them. It makes fascinating reading, and appalling given the danger they pose to our republic. Of course, we're really talking about the upper part of the 1% pyramid, the wide bottom just being upper middle class these days.
dawg
(10,624 posts)I'm generally tolerant of all opinions, and I recognize that my clients are the people who pay my salary. But I didn't start my own professional practice in order to be treated like a peon, either.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)I am so confused, though.
Your scum employer wants high speed rail so badly, he doesn't care who gets hurt. He needs to talk to the Koch Brothers, as they are the ones who DON'T want it and are blocking it everywhere:
http://www.attn.com/stories/295/monopoly-men-how-two-billionaires-are-destroying-high-speed-rail-america
"It turns out that the high speed rail debate is anything but dry, but if you spend ten minutes- or even a few hours- googling the topic, youre bound to think otherwise. I began with California, given the sheer longevity of the project, and theres plenty of discussion about the progress and setbacks of CHSR. The total cost of the project is estimated at $68 billion, and funding has unsurprisingly been the primary source of partisan contention. In 2008, voters approved Proposition 1A, which allocated $9.95 billion in funding and requires federal matching funds. Over the next few years, plans continued to progress; you can find a more detailed and accurate summary than the one I could give here.
In July 2012, Governor Jerry Brown signed an initial funding bill, which included the issuance of $2.2 billion in state bonds, unlocking $3.6 billion in federal funds for construction. But since then, U.S. Representative Jeff Denham of Modesto has worked to unravel funding plans in Washington. Denham introduced an amendment to the 2015 Transportation, Housing & Urban Development (THUD) funding bill, approved by House Republicans over the summer, which specifically prohibits any funding from being used for high speed rail in California. After blocking federal money for the bullet train, Denham then characterized high speed rail as a pipe dream to the media, citing the funding gap but neglecting to mention his own role in creating the shortfall. Still, thats politics; I was beginning to get bored. Some people want to build the train, some people say the train is too expensive. This all sounded like a big boondoggle and a bigger headache.
But as I continued to research CHSR funding, attempting to make sense of all the numbers and propositions and amendments, a claim on a site called California High Speed Rail Blog caught my eye. In a post titled, Dont Let the Reason Foundation Railroad California, from 2009, the author states, One of the most persistent HSR deniers and opponents of the California HSR project has been the Reason Foundation. Funded in part by oil and auto companies, they were behind the notorious Cox-Vranich report released last year in an effort to defeat Prop 1A. The Reason Foundation- Id heard the name mentioned in connection with a few experts in a few articles, but what was it? How was Reason influencing the debate surrounding high speed rail? And did it have some sort of vested interest in doing so?
reason foundation
Like most think tanks, the Reason Foundation describes itself in the sort of generic terms its difficult to find fault with. The name alone suggests a decidedly non-biased group of stoic scholars, quietly pursuing truth from behind half-moon glasses and distinguished facial hair. The Reasonable Foundation of People Who Always Consider Information Carefully. The Foundation of Being Extremely Logical Like Basically Vulcans on Earth. The Seriously What Even is Partisanship Were Just Doing Research Over Here Foundation. The page marked About Reason on their site gives a similar impression, stating, Reason Foundation's nonpartisan public policy research promotes choice, competition, and a dynamic market economy as the foundation for human dignity and progress. Reason produces rigorous, peer reviewed research and directly engages the policy process, seeking strategies that emphasize cooperation, flexibility, local knowledge, transparency, accountability and results. Choice? Competition? Rigorous? Research? Those all sound okay. And so it should come as absolutely no surprise that, one click away, on a page titled Trustees & Officers, I came across an all-too-familiar name."
Your rich dude needs to get with these other rich dudes and they need to get their shit together. It appears our overlords are at odds with each other...
And, fuck all of them, by the way
randys1
(16,286 posts)The most effective way to tell these disgusting pigfucks where to get off is to turn EVERYTHING off for a while, including the internet and electricity and so on.
Make it uncomfortable for the bastards, but we cant do that so what CAN we do?
We can all refuse to work for a week or something, if we ALL did it, the first to whine and cry would be those of the 2% who take for granted every single factor of life that keeps them alive and warm and safe and fed, etc.
Maybe we should do it before climate change does it for us.