does not need the "turd way" to help them get elected?

Corporations obviously have the advantage in running corporatist candidates in the post Citizens United era. Golden rule - those with the gold make the rules.

Anyone who removes corporations from their campaign funds will not be able to find replacement money to run.

Actually having a conversation is impossible.

that will make or break our futures: 1. seriously tackle ecology/climate change 1. seriously tackle economy (reign in wall street and MIC).

All sub-issues will fall into place after that.

And as such has severe issues with anything to the left of Ronald Reagan.

Besides, we're way past Halloween so I'll take the winter holiday meme.



http://www.marthastewart.com/317045/classic-pumpkin-pie

So I gotta get baking, I'm freezing here...

Congratulations.

You can use it as your avatar when you are feeling more honest than usual.



He really does become you.

...stronger!

Liberalism/Progressivism is to the Third Way® as Chemotherapy is to Cancer, or Garlic is to Vampires.

looking for a good candidate. They are happy with the one they have, in spite of her pro-corp baggage.

Their constituents instead of corporations too much to ask anymore?

Time to talk about the dirty hippies. Too many threads about actual predatory corporate policy on the front page right now.

Trashing predictable thread.

... are looking for attention?

...are definitely a cry for attention.

progressive is all they have.

nt

I am a registered Democrat, and I consider myself to be a Progressive. I break bread with many friends and associates who, though not registered Democrats, are definitely members of the Democratic Left.

I'm assuming that you are talking about the 2016 presidential election contest (rather than, say, the local village and/or town board elections).I think it is probable that I will not be particularly excited by any of the likely contestants in the primary season. But I will certainly be following it closely.

I do anticipate planting a section of pumpkins next spring, and the following one. My children and I will likely have several gardens, of differing sizes; we grow pumpkins some distance away from squash. And, while I really enjoy spending time tending to our veggie gardens, I'm confident that -- so long as my health holds up, and death does not come to visit -- that I will be pretty busy tending to those political gardens that I participate in.

I'll be working on the grass roots plots, of course, along with some state and federal beds.

That said, I'm probably likely to enjoy a glass -- or two -- of wine on Election Night. Obviously, that will be in the warmth and comfort of my home, as it tends to get chilly outside.

They will never be satisfied because they expect purity above all else

mixed with Republican ideals? Do you actually seek tainted, tarnished candidates and praise them for their corruption?
What are the aspects of Obama that you would say are 'not pure'? What are the aspects of Hillary that you would say are impure and therefore superior to purity?
Can you be specific?

if they are not purely to YOUR standards on issues... they are all corrupt? Because they disagree with YOU????

Get that everyone...if we don't meet this posters expectations on issues....we must all be corrupt too!

Thanks for proving my point!!!

Hillary could accelerate the process by picking a progressive candidate for VP, and then announcing she'll only serve one term, but I doubt the latter will happen.

You definitely represent the grass roots here...

It's like a unicorn or a square triangle. Not going to happen.

...is "Strawman".

That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. As I am to mine.

That does not exist, so you agree with me.

-Laelth

and Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican

They can vote in the primary if they so choose and whoever wins the nomination they can decide if they want to vote for them or not. If they choose to wait in the pumpkin patch, fine.

like "pure" candidates or "wants a pony, too."

They have so little insight they never seem to realize they are the problem.

Seems you think you can hurt some by calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a Conservative.....but that doesn't register in YOUR book as divisive......Ironic or hypocritical....

will chill out for a bit and recognize that we work better together and antagonizing people they disagree with is a stupid tactic.

Well, unless they like having the Republicans in power.

If one continues to divide the difference to their goal, they will never reach it.

In 2008, the anti-Hillary, anti-corporate, anti-establishment, anti-"3rd way" candidate was Barack Obama, and the phoney "progressives" all deluded themselves into believing he was FDR, Paul Wellstone & JFK all rolled into one, instead of the moderate, center-left politician that he is.

Now the phonies believe Obama is the Grand High Poobah at the center of the corporatist 3rd Way conspiracy.

The same thing will happen with any & every candidate they get behind.

his economic policies are mainstream 1980's Republican and that in a lot of ways Nixon was more liberal that he is? That President?

Sid

... they will become a disappointment very very quickly.

If impurity is what you want, the question becomes which sort of impurity are you advocating. The sort where a candidate is financially impure and corrupt? The kind with sexual implications? Looking for the libertine candidate? Or is it that you would like a candidate with a few strongly right wing views, not undiluted Democratic views?
If your war is to be waged against purity, what sorts of impurity do you like the best? Treason? Adultery? Bribery?

I'm impressed. And I already know to expect a high level of quality in your contributions here. This one is, for lack of a better word, awesome.

Thank you.

who has been a registered Republican for most of her adult life, and who voted for Reagan, Bush the First, and Bob Dole before apparently coming to senses so late in life.

Now she's a "progressive" hero. Go figure.

I guess that is all you are good at.

from the perpetually outraged.



Sid

So there you go. It's either a nail or a fart, this much we know.

43 recs and counting http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025825305

Sid

I could use a little heat right now, too. Brrr!

So much so that they have to rec their own threads out of desperation!

I don't need to vote for a suitable right wing Democrat for the general election anymore. I'm gerrymandered and free and am able to never vote for another again.

Let's beat eachother up. That will SURELY solve our problems,

more. If there were still a number of primaries and caucuses to be contested there would be some point in fighting over who will be the nominee. But they're all finished - so it's time to move on...

No, neither do I.

When do you ever talk about issues?

You seem to oppose progressives more than you oppose Republicans. Saying this like "pure" is dishonest, I don't doubt there are those on this side of the aisle that won't cut Obama a break but there are real causes for concern. Corporate donors influencing legislation and these "war on terror" policies need to end, starting with the Patriot Act.

Then, when the candidate cruises to a crushing defeat, they'll be pissed at Democratic voters for not knowing what REAL democrats want.

with an enthusiasm we have not seen in a generation. At the very least you will see a very credible campaign that has a lasting impact. The fact is - issue by issue most registered Democrats are closer to Sen. Sanders on issues than they are to Sen. Clinton. Is it likely that Sen. Sanders wins the nomination? Frankly that would be a long shot. Is it likely that he wins some primaries and shakes things up a bit? Yes, that is quite likely. You will see.

aren't you there, cowboy?

What, are you just copy/pasting that line?

Even if they were found and win, they will disappoint them once in office. It's impossible for them to support anyone who would actually be in the office. Something would continue on that the president should have stopped

Congressional Progressive Caucus who endorse policies such as-

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-progressive-promise/

Wish THIS made the evening news.

Couldn't have done it without you.

Congratulations

Sid

But not on DU.

call it "Third Way Snark"

Or something.

Right?

Did you learn that at the mall when you bought your black Che t-shirt?

I never liked Charlie Brown, it was just stupid and boring as far as I was concerned.

some choose to side with the Oligarchs, the biggest bully on the block. They think that if they support the bully, they will be safe from the bully. They won't.

I am not looking for a perfect candidate but at least one with integrity.

candidate but willing to settle for a tarnished one.

HRC gave her integrity to Georgie Bush and it's gone.

Only some that are less pure than others. Howard Dean was not "pure". We thought Barack Obama was pure. Hillary is not pure. We have to reserve the right to choose.

I also insist on purity concerning the authorship of Shakespeare’s plays. I swear, if I so much as hear the words “Francis Bacon” I’ll be phone-banking for Ted Cruz.

Note to jurors: Please don't take this post literally. Nothing in it is true. It's just my way of making fun of the OP, by pretending to be the strawman attacked therein.

Sid

will never find a suitably pure candidate. Whether she spends time in the pumpkin patch depends on how unsuitable the candidates turn out to be. This liberal is also quite willing to vote in some races and not others. Including not voting for the office of President if the candidate is too far afield.

The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Members who demonstrate a pattern of disruptive behavior over time and end up getting too many of their posts hidden by the jury (measured by raw number or percentage) may be found to be in violation of our Terms of Service. If you seem to be ruining this website for a large proportion of our visitors, if we think the community as a whole would be better off without you here, if you are constantly wasting the DU Administrators' time, if you seem to oppose the mission of DU, or if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privileges. Remember: DU is supposed to be fun — don't make it suck.

My favorite section of TOS: if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privilege

I find it amazing, after all the "progressive" posts calling for purges, calling people DINOs and generally trying to define what a "reeaaal Democrat" is, you reply with THIS? LOL

Perhaps you missed THIS part of the TOS:

you really really hate progressives, don't you?

No.

Seriously? You have nothing else?

you are the OP who said....

My OP was in response to countless hateful threads calling people on DU fake Democrats and DINOS and worse. Threads threatening and not vote. Countless. Where were you on those threads?

I can understand how you might feel remorseful

I can understand how you might be projecting.

Just throwing my own 4 rupees in.

Remember the....(I`ll do it like you did)...."progressives" who whined about Agent Orange? We`re dealing with that here in our brain cancer house. Remember the "progressives" that whined about homelessness? I wonder if you`ve ever slept in an old Honda Civic with two children? Want to meet the guy whose wife just died because he couldn`t afford her liver meds? Oh, sorry. More "progressive" whining. How about the kid a few doors away that hitchhikes to his full-time job while it`s still dark out because he doesn`t have money to fix his rig? This is a regular whine-o-rama. I should take this opportunity to run up to our local grocery chain and talk again with the minimum wage clerk with three kids and no extended family.

My favorite whine is about the young man I know who lost both hands in Iraq, hands lost because the politicians "progressives" whined about sent him to war on a lie.

The Republican Wing of the Democratic Party concentrates on the candidate with the most clout, the one good at those closed-door back room deals where support is joined with the banksters, the polluters, Big Pharma, the anti-union people and the rest of the well-funded group we like to whine about. And who suffers because we want to win so badly we`ll sell out our basic principles in the blink of an eye? The crab fishermen in Maryland, the paper mill workers in New Hampshire, the bright kid from the poor family in Arkansas with a mountain of college loan debt, the coal miners, the kids digging potatoes in northern Maine, the military`s food stamp families. This isn`t about purity....although that sounds clever....it`s about principles.

But it will not stop the OP from harassment and putdowns.

and fuck your attempts to be Rush Limbaugh and make progressive a pejorative.