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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:50 PM Nov 2014

Does Our Military Know Something We Don't About Global Warming?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/14/does-our-military-know-something-we-dont-about-global-warming/

Every branch of the United States Military is worried about climate change. They have been since well before it became controversial. In the wake of an historic climate change agreement between President Obama and President Xi Jinping in China this week (Brookings), the military’s perspective is significant in how it views climate effects on emerging military conflicts.

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At a time when Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bush 41, and even British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, called for binding international protocols to control greenhouse gas emissions, the U.S. Military was seriously studying global warming in order to determine what actions they could take to prepare for the change in threats that our military will face in the future.

The Center for Naval Analysis has had its Military Advisory Board examining the national security implications of climate change for many years. Lead by Army General Paul Kern, the Military Advisory Board is a group of 16 retired flag-level officers from all branches of the Service. This is not a group normally considered to be liberal activists and fear-mongers. This year, the Military Advisory Board came out with a new report, called National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, that is a serious discussion about what the military sees as the threats and the actions to be taken to mitigate them.

“The potential security ramifications of global climate change should be serving as catalysts for cooperation and change. Instead, climate change impacts are already accelerating instability in vulnerable areas of the world and are serving as catalysts for conflict.”
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Does Our Military Know Something We Don't About Global Warming? (Original Post) Scuba Nov 2014 OP
And here in America we continue business as usual newfie11 Nov 2014 #1
Even if they do 2naSalit Nov 2014 #2
It is perfectly obvious to anyone with a brain that climate change is an existential threat. bemildred Nov 2014 #3
I'm pretty sure most of us know that about climate change too? Recursion Nov 2014 #4
K&R LongTomH Nov 2014 #5
+European banks and insurance companies Droning Predator Nov 2014 #6
That, I'm not quite convinced of. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #7
Image 50 mil people moving as a mass from a drought area to a new area,is that a CK_John Nov 2014 #8
Oh, I'm sure that Quantess Nov 2014 #10
Long Island is not going to be "suddenly submerged". former9thward Nov 2014 #11
It's happened several times in the past. CK_John Nov 2014 #14
In neither of those cases did LI get "submerged". former9thward Nov 2014 #15
I'm not saying you're a denier, but: XemaSab Nov 2014 #9
You are right they don't have secret information Johonny Nov 2014 #13
A military institution unlike many other institutions rock Nov 2014 #12

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
1. And here in America we continue business as usual
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:01 PM
Nov 2014

For the most part heads in the sand, climate deniers.

2naSalit

(86,780 posts)
2. Even if they do
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:25 PM
Nov 2014

I find it interesting that they continually insist on exemptions from EPA/Clean Air Act/Clean Water Act regulations and ESA protections on their bases. It is also interesting someone would make such a suggestion given that the military is one of the largest consumers of fossil fuels on the planet and have very little interest in efficiency regarding their fossil fuel use.

This may just be them singing a sing of deflection trying to convince the rest of us that they care or are interested in our concerns regarding the decimation of the biosphere.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. It is perfectly obvious to anyone with a brain that climate change is an existential threat.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Nov 2014

To everybody.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure most of us know that about climate change too?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Nov 2014

It hits the global south first and hardest, and is going to have (is already having) significant national security implications.

On the other hand, it occasionally works for peace: India and Sri Lanka were getting close to a shooting war over a tiny uninhabited rock between them. They came out for the new round of saber rattling a couple of years ago and the rock was submerged.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
7. That, I'm not quite convinced of.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:46 AM
Nov 2014

BTW, don't take this as a denial of climate change......yes, it is real, and it *is* a problem. However, though, I don't believe the military necessarily has access to so-called "top secret", or whatever, climate info that we, on the street, don't have. Though perhaps this is just a case of poor wording by Forbes, more than anything.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
8. Image 50 mil people moving as a mass from a drought area to a new area,is that a
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:07 AM
Nov 2014

military problem???

Or what happens if Long Island is suddenly submerged???

Hope that the military are putting in place plans for the worst case situations now and not when they are happening.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
10. Oh, I'm sure that
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:14 AM
Nov 2014

the masses of poverty stricken climate refugees will be lovingly embraced and welcomed by the wealthy elites of greener pastures. Live and let live!

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
11. Long Island is not going to be "suddenly submerged".
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:17 AM
Nov 2014

No scientist says that. 50 million people are not going to suddenly move to a new area. Nonsense.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
14. It's happened several times in the past.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:42 PM
Nov 2014

September 21, 1938 — The New England Hurricane of 1938 (Also Called "The Long Island Express&quot makes landfall on Suffolk County (Long Island) as a category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale.

Wind gusts of 125 mph (200 km/h) and storm surge of 18 feet (5 m) washes across part of the island. In New York 60 deaths and hundreds of injuries were attributed to the storm. In addition, 2,600 boats and 8,900 houses are destroyed.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
15. In neither of those cases did LI get "submerged".
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:03 PM
Nov 2014

Hurricanes have been around forever although diminishing in recent years as far as the U.S. And 50 million people did not suddenly move somewhere else. People are moving gradually from the North and East to the South and West. Part of that is economic and part is weather. Who wants to live in the frigid north all your life when you can live in decent weather in the SW.

Johonny

(20,888 posts)
13. You are right they don't have secret information
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Nov 2014

They have the same information as everyone else. Their job is to scenario plan future conflict and the decline in resources like water and food due to temperature change is very important to predicting future conflict. It is no surprise to the military that conflict is currently raging in areas of the world completely strapped for water resources and it will get worse.

rock

(13,218 posts)
12. A military institution unlike many other institutions
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:06 PM
Nov 2014

Does not last long unless it is reality based.

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