Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:28 PM Nov 2014

Here is my take on the Bill Cosby accusations of rape from woman coming forward

He DID IT!! plain and simple.Woman don't usually lie about things like this.Now some woman might lie but as a whole most woman don't lie about being raped.Now another woman has come forward and say she was attacked at 19 and raped by Cosby.It appears his targets were young teenage girls.Some people are saying why now well because they probably was scared and knew no one would believe them at 18 and 19 years old.The next BIG question is has he raped young woman recently.This story might have LEGS!!! a rapist just doesn't just stop cold turkey.http://www.newser.com/story/198751/another-cosby-rape-accuser-steps-forward.html

23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Here is my take on the Bill Cosby accusations of rape from woman coming forward (Original Post) bigdarryl Nov 2014 OP
Most women do not lie, that is true. bravenak Nov 2014 #1
Yet a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of the real victims. moriah Nov 2014 #3
That has nothing to do with this case. bravenak Nov 2014 #7
I'm also a victim, so I'm speaking from that perspective. moriah Nov 2014 #9
That is because of sexism not false accusations. bravenak Nov 2014 #12
not to mention that THIRTEEN women had prepared testimony before Cosby settled alp227 Nov 2014 #2
WHAT!! there were another 13 woman who accused him of rape ? bigdarryl Nov 2014 #4
Yep. alp227 Nov 2014 #6
I reserve opinion unless there's more than just base written accusations. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #5
He settled one case. I think that's a pretty strong indication of his guilt. cali Nov 2014 #8
Settlements of a civil case aren't necessarily indicative of one thing or another. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #21
No, I don't think Cosby passes the "smell" test...something is terribly wrong with him. CTyankee Nov 2014 #10
Yes. The Creep Factor is strong in that one. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #15
i think he did it, BUT i think the argument that 'woman don't usually lie' samsingh Nov 2014 #11
But 13 different women? On separate occasions? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #18
i know samsingh Nov 2014 #22
Since this is a case where there are not photos all over the internet hollysmom Nov 2014 #13
Here is a link to the new Washington Post Article, with a video of one of accusers NSFW Stuart G Nov 2014 #14
GO deal with Clarence Thomas malaise Nov 2014 #16
Thomas has nothing to do with this he hasn't been accused of drugging and raping young girls bigdarryl Nov 2014 #19
Has there EVER been an example of 13 different women accusing someone of rape, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #17
He is probably a very dangerous individual. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #20
Tell it to Egnever Nov 2014 #23
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. Most women do not lie, that is true.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

I believed it when it all first came out.

He loved to trash talk people who do not meet his standards, while he does not meet his own.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
3. Yet a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of the real victims.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

I want to see stronger laws making it where a demonstrably false accusation to the police leads to significant jail time.

They hurt real victims too much.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
7. That has nothing to do with this case.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:39 PM
Nov 2014

False accusations is already a crime. Rape is rarely ever even prosecuted, let alone under false pretenses. That happens very rarely.
People often bring up the false accusations argument to deflect from the crime of rape. My rapist sure did act all astonished at the accusation and accused me of making false accusations. That should be a crime in itself. Rapists are more likely to lie than victims.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
9. I'm also a victim, so I'm speaking from that perspective.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Nov 2014

If victims were believed, maybe the prosecutor would have let it go to a grand jury based solely on the email exchanges between us where I accused him of raping me and he was apologizing for it, trying to avoid me going to the cops.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. That is because of sexism not false accusations.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:51 PM
Nov 2014

That much is obvious. They believe the man over the woman. And even if they don't they do not feel like rape is a high priority crime. Won't even bother to test the evidence from the rape kits.
Why you think that false accusations has anything to do with it I do not know. Might be a way of self consolation, hoping that they would care about us, if it weren't for those 'bad' ladies who falsely accuse. I feel bad for saying this, but no, they still would not care.
Now, if thousands of men were being raped everyday in this country, effort would be put into ending the scourge of rapism. As it is, a man can rape a child and get probation. That kid grows up, gets on drugs and that kid get 20 years for self harm.

alp227

(32,052 posts)
2. not to mention that THIRTEEN women had prepared testimony before Cosby settled
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:32 PM
Nov 2014

his original civil suit in '06 or so.

alp227

(32,052 posts)
6. Yep.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014
People.com, 2006:

What Cosby never mentioned was the civil lawsuit he settled just two days earlier with Andrea Constand, 32, a former Temple University employee who claimed Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in his Philadelphia-area mansion in 2004. Constand's lawyers Dolores Troiani and Bebe Kivitz ended up with 13 witnesses, most referred to in court documents as "Jane Does," who came forward voluntarily with strikingly similar claims of drugging and or abuse by Cosby.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
5. I reserve opinion unless there's more than just base written accusations.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:35 PM
Nov 2014

Not to say he couldn't have done, or that the women accusing him are liars, but that I just don't know enough at this point and I won't just place the rapist label on him without some further evidence.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. He settled one case. I think that's a pretty strong indication of his guilt.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:40 PM
Nov 2014

and the stories are remarkably similar.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
21. Settlements of a civil case aren't necessarily indicative of one thing or another.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:36 PM
Nov 2014

People say someone who is in fact guilty of the allegations made might settle to avoid the publicity of a trial. But people could also claim that a person bringing the suit under questionable circumstances might choose to settle because they doubt their case may hold up at trial and they could end up with nothing.

In the end, however, most civil settlements are business decision. It's hard to read tea leaves into a settlement.

samsingh

(17,601 posts)
11. i think he did it, BUT i think the argument that 'woman don't usually lie'
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:44 PM
Nov 2014

is very naïve and dangerous. I don't think someone should be thought as a rapist unless there is evidence.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
18. But 13 different women? On separate occasions?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

Yes, there have been cases like the Duke Lacrosse accuser, but I don't recall any vast conspiracies of this nature.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
13. Since this is a case where there are not photos all over the internet
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014

I can't see the evidence, so it is better is someone investigates who has the power and ends it that way this deserves investigation, I hope it gets it.

If the police did not investigate at the time, it is on them, if people did not report it in the correct decade, there is not much to be done. I have been intimidated by people, I have been touched inappropriately by men. I have complained to the police who did nothing (man pulling me into an abandoned building kicking and screaming - must have gotten a good shot at him as got away just inside the door way), When I was young I reported it to the school (guys standing in the hall way grabbing tits and ass more than once) the attitude was like boys will be boys, I have kept silent because I could not prove anything could not identify the person and was scared shitless. Long and most dangerous story. None were good solutions, none made me feel safe. none caught the offenders.

I have also seen people accused of things be proven innocent years later, so I don't want to make an absolute judgement, I would rather someone who does this for a living investigate. Live long enough you see a lot of things, and one was someone who was innocent being accused and never being able to clear their name - this was a non-sexual offense they were accused of, but one evil blogger/rumor monger ruined their reputation and cost them their career.

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
14. Here is a link to the new Washington Post Article, with a video of one of accusers NSFW
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:55 PM
Nov 2014

The video is not on you tube, and it does take a while to get it, (probably because of huge number of people linking to it)
. You decide..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/17/new-bill-cosby-accuser-surfaces-says-comedian-assaulted-her/

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
19. Thomas has nothing to do with this he hasn't been accused of drugging and raping young girls
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:11 PM
Nov 2014

Don't get me wrong Uncle Clarence is a serious harasser of women no question but not rape

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. Has there EVER been an example of 13 different women accusing someone of rape,
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

someone rich and powerful, who could easily sue them for every penny they have for defamation, and it turned out that they were all making it up?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Here is my take on the Bi...