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So that story about two Black Panthers buying explosives? LIE BY THE COPS! (Original Post) MohRokTah Nov 2014 OP
Shocked, I am shocked! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #1
Erich, I will make an anonomous donation to the Cheyenne. n/t saidsimplesimon Nov 2014 #14
Thanks :) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #20
Wow. HappyMe Nov 2014 #2
Actually I think it's initial charges ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #3
Meanwhile, the KKK probably has an arsenal. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #4
here's another - 'Two with Black Panther connections charged in St. Louis in federal firearms case' Baclava Nov 2014 #5
Gee, and thousands of guns a day are bought in AZ by straw buyers louis-t Nov 2014 #6
it's almost like the newsies WANT a race war - 'Breaking News, Helter Skelter!' Baclava Nov 2014 #8
so true, so sad, so disappointed am I with the msm. saidsimplesimon Nov 2014 #15
they do... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36
How much you want to bet the 'other person' has connections to the FBI PeoViejo Nov 2014 #23
Oh? Do tell woolldog Nov 2014 #49
They were trying to take me out of Circulation PeoViejo Nov 2014 #50
Just for being a pain in the Ass. n/t PeoViejo Nov 2014 #52
Seems they do it all the time madokie Nov 2014 #7
Charles Manson would be so proud. lobodons Nov 2014 #11
Its definitely looking that way madokie Nov 2014 #12
Youngbloods pointing the way griloco Nov 2014 #22
+1,000 malaise Nov 2014 #46
I wish that I could say that I am surprised Gothmog Nov 2014 #9
Will they never learn? Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #10
Come on, people. FLyellowdog Nov 2014 #13
Of course. Even I know what a panther is and I'm not even black. Rozlee Nov 2014 #16
Yes, they are. FLyellowdog Nov 2014 #17
but were they "scary Black men".....some White people are really chickenshits... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #37
Wait a minute, 2nd amendment here! Where is the NRA and their distain for background checks? rustydog Nov 2014 #18
the 2nd only applies to White people.....everyone knows THAT! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38
Shame on CBS, massive shame, for inciting violence through its KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #19
It wasn't the cops it was the media helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #21
CBS cited unnamed sources in the police department in the original story. eom MohRokTah Nov 2014 #24
I agree , CBS was going for shock value even though they knew it wasn't proven helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #27
Either way I think we could all agree it's best to get these guys off the street helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #25
I think it said it was a straw purchase. bravenak Nov 2014 #26
Okay they were buying guns for someone that wasn't suppose to own one helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #28
The media gets most of this stuff wrong the first time. bravenak Nov 2014 #29
Agreed. These guys had outstanding warrants and lied on the ATF form. (Background checks worked.) Wella Nov 2014 #43
So ironic the home grown terrorists PumpkinAle Nov 2014 #30
Why is two black men buying explosives good news? maced666 Nov 2014 #31
Where does it say that the were actually buying explosives? bravenak Nov 2014 #33
The whole point was they were not buying explosives helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #34
The "good news" is that they were NOT trying to buy explosives. arcane1 Nov 2014 #39
The article doesn't exactly say that: Wella Nov 2014 #44
I thought that story was fishy N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #32
Two black men try and buy guns, it becomes a national emergency. Rex Nov 2014 #35
They made false statements when buying the guns. What's the point of having gun safety laws if Wella Nov 2014 #42
Kick.. thanks MRT Cha Nov 2014 #40
The article says nothing about Black Panthers and explosives--very confusing. Wella Nov 2014 #41
The article ORIGINALLY said explosives MohRokTah Nov 2014 #48
Ah OK. The article still does mention a suspicion explosives, though Wella Nov 2014 #51
Anything involving the "New Black Panthers" is a lie. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #45
It certainly sounded very suspicious. gollygee Nov 2014 #47

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
20. Thanks :)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
Nov 2014

They like to try to do a couple of Holiday season dinners for the folks who live around there as well as the food pantry, back to school, and other programs, so this is a good time to donate

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
3. Actually I think it's initial charges
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:57 PM
Nov 2014

From what I've read, the FBI filed charges about making false statements to be able to arrest them before the grand jury announcement.

Here's a link to one of the stories: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/21/fbi-arrests-men-with-expl_n_6202402.html

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
5. here's another - 'Two with Black Panther connections charged in St. Louis in federal firearms case'
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:10 PM
Nov 2014

Two with Black Panther connections charged in St. Louis in federal firearms case

ST. LOUIS • Two men have been indicted on weapons charges in federal court here for allegedly making straw purchases of two handguns at the Cabela’s sporting goods store in Hazelwood.

A police source says both men are affiliated with the New Black Panther Party and were taken into custody this morning.

According to the indictment, between Nov. 1 and 13, Baldwin, also known as Brandon Muhammad, and Olajuwon, also known as Olajuwon Ali and Brother Ali, acquired two Hi-Point .45 ACP pistols at the store, claiming that Baldwin was the buyer when, in fact, the weapons were intended for someone else.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-charged-in-st-louis-in-federal-firearms-case/article_bc0d3aea-f21d-5e29-947b-5c777ec2d70d.html?mobile_touch=true

louis-t

(23,296 posts)
6. Gee, and thousands of guns a day are bought in AZ by straw buyers
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:17 PM
Nov 2014

and shipped across the border to Mexico. No outrage. 2 guys who 'say' they're NBPP try it and pandemonium erupts. Well, at least fox has their outrage of the week.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
8. it's almost like the newsies WANT a race war - 'Breaking News, Helter Skelter!'
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:28 PM
Nov 2014

I guess it sells copies and drives up ratings

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
23. How much you want to bet the 'other person' has connections to the FBI
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:10 PM
Nov 2014

I'm personally familiar with this entrapment method because it's one of their favorites and have had it attempted on me at least 2 times.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
50. They were trying to take me out of Circulation
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:54 AM
Nov 2014

I thought they were my friends. I just told them I don't do guns.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. Seems they do it all the time
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:24 PM
Nov 2014

it almost looks to this okie that the cops have declared war on black people and are getting away with it. I'm pissed at the racism I'm seeing in my older years. I thought we were past this shit but hell no we're more racist today than anytime in my memory. When I say 'we' I don't mean ME or most of my fellow DU'rs

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. Its definitely looking that way
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

what the hell is wrong with people?
We're all brothers and sisters. Hell I've got damn near a dozen different nationalities coursing through my old asses veins and not a damn one of them dislikes the others

Gothmog

(145,413 posts)
9. I wish that I could say that I am surprised
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

This type of action has been far too typical of the police lately

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
13. Come on, people.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

They ARE black and they probably know what a panther is, so the connection makes sense.

Get a grip.
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rustydog

(9,186 posts)
18. Wait a minute, 2nd amendment here! Where is the NRA and their distain for background checks?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

Looks like the system works when allowed to...

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
19. Shame on CBS, massive shame, for inciting violence through its
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

shoddy original reporting. I should have known that the same network that would fire Dan Rather for getting the story about Bush's desertion right would fuck this up. I shall now no longer read or watch anything on CBS. Fuck those losers.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
21. It wasn't the cops it was the media
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-charged-lying-forms-buy-guns-ahead-grand/story?id=27096024


ABC never said it , it was CBS trying to make a bigger headline






Federal authorities in Missouri charged two men with lying on forms to purchase guns ahead of the grand jury decision in the police shooting of Michael Brown.

Olajuwon Davis and Brandon Baldwin only faced those charges as of late Friday, but sources told ABC News that authorities were looking into whether they tried to acquire ready-made explosives and other weapons ahead of the decision, which is expected soon.

The two men are suspected of being associated with the New Black Panther party, said sources briefed on the arrests. The charges that were filed were intended to "take them out of the rotation," according to one source
 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
27. I agree , CBS was going for shock value even though they knew it wasn't proven
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

That's the media

One always tries to out do the other

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
25. Either way I think we could all agree it's best to get these guys off the street
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:10 PM
Nov 2014

Trying to purchase guns when you're not allowed is a serious crime.

The less guns on the street the better

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. I think it said it was a straw purchase.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:15 PM
Nov 2014

Alleged straw purchase. They had the legal right to purchase. Just not a straw purchase. May not be true.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
28. Okay they were buying guns for someone that wasn't suppose to own one
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:21 PM
Nov 2014

I'm glad it was stopped then.

The media should get the story straight but we all know how that works

They will run over one another to break a story first without checking out all the facts


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
29. The media gets most of this stuff wrong the first time.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:23 PM
Nov 2014

I wish they WOULD check a few facts every now and again. They love drama though.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
43. Agreed. These guys had outstanding warrants and lied on the ATF form. (Background checks worked.)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:41 AM
Nov 2014

There aren't guys you want out there with guns.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
31. Why is two black men buying explosives good news?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:28 PM
Nov 2014

Then again, why is black a story? Just the fact they were buying explosives is alarming, color non issue. Black or Panthers doesn't make it any better or worse.
It's just - not good.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
44. The article doesn't exactly say that:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:43 AM
Nov 2014
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-arrests-2-men-on-firearms-charges-near-ferguson/

"A law enforcement source said the two men allegedly purchased explosive material during an FBI undercover operation to possibly use during Ferguson protests."


This phrase is still in the article. There's no follow-up to it, which is maybe where the OP gets the idea that it wasn't true.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. Two black men try and buy guns, it becomes a national emergency.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:48 PM
Nov 2014

Two white guys build a 7000 pound bomb, nobody notices.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
42. They made false statements when buying the guns. What's the point of having gun safety laws if
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:33 AM
Nov 2014

people are just going to lie on the paperwork?

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
41. The article says nothing about Black Panthers and explosives--very confusing.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:32 AM
Nov 2014

Second, if you're making false statements when buying firearms, that means you're trying to get around gun safety laws. I can't imagine a positive reason for doing that.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
51. Ah OK. The article still does mention a suspicion explosives, though
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:39 PM
Nov 2014

Is it just the headline that's different?

That being said, there is simply no good that can come out of folks with outstanding warrants lying on their ATF paperwork. It's a good thing they were caught. It proves that background checks are working.

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