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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsto those of you chastizing those of us who believe Bill Cosby sexually assaulted women:
to believe that all these women are lying and out to soak Cosby for money is so demeaning to sexual assault victims.
The following women have alleged as a matter of public record that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted or raped them. They are listed in the order their allegations became public.
1. Lachele Covington. Covington, an actress who was 20 at the time, filed a police report alleging that Cosby pushed her hand toward his penis after inviting her to his New York home on Jan. 25, 2000 to give her career advice. The New York Post reported that authorities "decided no crime had been committed because until the very moment Covington pulled her hand away, all actions had been consensual." A Cosby spokesperson called the story "not true."
2. Andrea Constand. Constand told Ontario police in January 2005 that a year prior, when she was 31, she had visited Cosby at his home in Pennsylvania seeking career advice. (Constand, an Ontario native, worked at the time for Temple University, Cosby's alma mater.) Constand alleges he gave her "herbal" pills for anxiety, then touched her breasts and vaginal area, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated her. The Pennsylvania prosecutor who looked into the case has said that while he didn't bring charges because the available evidence was not sufficient, he found Constand "credible" and found Cosby "evasive." After prosecutors declined to charge him, Constand filed a civil suit against Cosby for $150 million; her suit cited, anonymously, 13 other women who alleged that he had sexually assaulted them. (Some of those women, referred to as "Jane Does" in legal language, have since identified themselves publicly and are mentioned below. The identities of Jane Doe witnesses are disclosed to defendants so their testimony can be fairly researched and challenged, but they are not ID'd by name in court or in public records.) Cosby's attorney called Constand's claims "utterly preposterous." The suit was settled for an undisclosed amount in 2006.
3. Tamara Green. In February of 2005, Green, a retired trial attorney, appeared on The Today Show and told Matt Lauer that Cosby had drugged and assaulted her in the '70s. Green was working as a model and met Cosby through mutual friends, she says, and he once offered her what he told her was cold medicine when she was ill. When she began to feel incapacitated, she alleges, he offered to take her home, where he began groping and undressing her; when she struggled, he left, leaving behind two $100 bills on her table. Cosby's attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green's maiden name, Lucier): "Miss Greens allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen." Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand's lawsuit.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html?google_editors_picks=true
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...this was his MO. Sad, because I liked him (from Chet Kinkaid; to introducing Fat Albert; to Cliff Huxtable; and the jello comercials) ; he apparently had a very dark side.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)A pitiful example of letting power and prestige go to his head and make him do evil things. He should just go away. Unfortunately, his power and prestige keeps him out of trouble.
The longer he stays in the spotlight, however, the better it is for our society. The more dirty laundry we air of those on top-of-the-heap, the more informed we become of what weak men have done to the world.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)What an ugly little grotty man.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)of course some will say there is no such thing, conspiracies don't exist. If it's not in the news on tv then it's not real.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)that really says a lot about people's credibility right there. In many cases women react in ways that make them seem less credible i.e. taking drugs, becoming promiscuous (whatever that means), acting crazy (again whatever that means, this is actually more proof that something happened rather than that nothing happened.
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)Cosby's lawyer kept bringing up unrelated stuff about the accusers. Sounds like he's actively trying to discredit them, and that just makes his client seem more guilty.
blackcrowflies
(207 posts)Attaching the reputation of the victim as far as I know. Yet another reason the disingenuous claims of surprise that not all victims come forward are crap.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)pick apart her past sexual activities and somehow make what she and Bill did all her fault and let him off free. Not at all saying anything was forced upon her, just the same treatment in many diffrent scenarios when there is any sex involved - the woman gets the treatment like she is the guilty one. too often.
Why, you were born with lady parts! of course it's your fault.
LiberalArkie
(15,722 posts)falling for it. But he was never known to be smart, just intelligent. And there have been plenty of times as an Arkansan that I have wondered about his intelligence.
hlthe2b
(102,311 posts)at play, especially by some in the media. No one "wants" to believe this of Cosby, but to ignore the piling evidence and to attack these women out-of-hand, is.... pathetic.
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)she is pretty much a victim also..
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)appalachiablue
(41,155 posts)be very disturbing. Often no one wants to hear about it, or accept it if an individual like him is detected. The super friendly personality, talent & success of the individual cause people to dismiss any mention of dirt. They don't want to hear it, but rather want to remain friends. We had a narcissist, sociopath, promiscuous adulterer who caused much pain in the family but who's still highly functional, popular & taking in people in all walks. It's gone on decades & will continue. Ironically, I recall being with the person for weekend brunch at the Odeon restaurant in NYC only a couple booths away from Lisa Bonet & group on a Sunday morning late '80s.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Like the Catholic church case, there are too many victims to reasonably believe he could be innocent.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)Casts him as a globe-trotting sexual deviant whose mark is a bruise on the side of his victims' necks, or elsewhere.
But I'm with Cali on this one. Too many women stepping forward with basically the same story detailing how they were assaulted.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Thank you for the details of these women, who are not needing the publicity (notoriety) or the money that they would allegedly be looking for. Whenever there are this many women with the same story who are willing to sacrifice their safe life to speak out, we should listen. To call them all liars is a sin.
And I have always liked Bill Cosby, so it isn't something that I would have wished on him if he were innocent. I can't believe that he is.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that shuns such behavior (coming forward). They have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by coming forward. Thanks for posting.
blackcrowflies
(207 posts)One only has to look at the death threats some victims of sports people have encountered against them and their families. Can you imagine?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that aren't willing. This behavior occurred over a long period of time.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)locdlib
(176 posts)sister a few days ago and she is of the mindset that these women should have just kept quiet. she said that cosby is an old and weak man now and that these women have nothing to gain with their revelations. I told her that cosby used these women while they were weak and in no position to defend themselves against a well known talent. the issue is not that these women are now coming forward. the issue is that cosby used his status to take advantage of these women in a disgusting manner. those who are so quick to defend him should ask themselves why didn't cosby consider that he would be weak and old one day and his horrendous deeds could bite him in his old weak ass.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Rosie O'Donnell got crucified for saying this very thing above but in different words....She's a host on "The View"
otohara
(24,135 posts)never understood the adoration of Cosby or The Cosby Show.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Demobrat
(8,985 posts)There are way too many victims. They are now coming forward because they are realizing they are not alone.
Stargleamer
(1,990 posts)Kristina Ruehli also accused him, making the complete list stand at 14 (and counting).
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)if there is racial element to this.
Railroad the black guy. Disgusting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)waxing indignant about how this is racism, is truly vile.
I don't have to wonder about YOU. and no, this isn't about race. It's about rape.
go away. far away.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Many black people believe the victims. He has been on the outs with us for a long time.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)you'd be more likely to think him innocent?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)it's about time he faced the music.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Black men have to fight a stereotype of being oversexed and ready to rape. The one that got Emmett Till killed.
And here Cosby did this repeatedly. One of the ugliest things that I bet is being said about this is "I thought he was one of the good ones." Bill Cosby offered confirmation for a racist belief that has been one of the most damaging and fatal to black men.
0nirevets
(391 posts)Sexual predators come in all colors. Most of the women accusing Cosby are black, most recently Michelle Hurd, so there goes your racism argument.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)There is no denying that there has been a long standing stereotype that says black men are oversexed and prone to sexual predation.
My point is that Cosby's actions reinforce confirmation biases that are carried by racists as well as people who intellectually disagree with racism, yet carry biases with an unwillingness to admit them.
Cosby's behavior serves to perpetuate the stereotypes that drive the most dangerous and fatal biases and behavior of racists.
I lost respect for him when he published a book that was full of criticism of black youth.
By participating in behavior that would negatively influence perceptions (it's part of being a celebrity) of black men, then turning around a few years later just to slander people in a book, he has been disrespectful.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)why you don't seem to be aware of how history is replete with examples of woman who have been raped being called liars.
Spare me your faux accusation of racism.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)So you just take your bs elsewhere. I also am sorry to see that people are posting that Cosby was"on the outs" with blacks, so what does that mean? It's ok cause we don't like him, but if we did, we would not believe these women. That is sick, IMHO.
Rape is about power, rape is about rape, no matter what the perp says.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Especially since the now-retired prosecutor has told CNN that he was fairly certain about Cosby's guilt (the mere fact that a former prosecutor spoke that freely about his legal opinion is pretty telling)...
Does anybody know where I can find Constand's original complaint to police, and any testimony given at the civil trial??
Spazito
(50,402 posts)which is why Cosby's lawyer is disgustingly trying to denigrate the women coming forward EXCEPT for Constand, on her claims, he is silent not because he wouldn't love to do the same to her but because of the non-disclosure clause that was, no doubt, part of the agreement.
Some of the women coming forward recently were among the 13 women who were ready to testify in the Constand civil case.
Initech
(100,088 posts)I heard this on the radio so I don't have a source to verify this story. But basically Wendy Williams, who is a syndicated talk show host, said on her show that she broke a story about Bill Cosby back when she was working in radio in New York. And Cosby called the radio station and tried to get Williams fired if the story wasn't pulled.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)I saw a segment on Saturday's Entertainment Tonight TV show in which a clip of her describing the incident to the studio audience was shown.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)BLAME THE VICTIM.
kaiden
(1,314 posts)Dean Brown, known as "Big Happy." Was so cruel and humiliating to him during a meeting between Cosby and the 1988 graduating class of African American football players and their families that Dean Brown cried and felt worthless for years. You can Google this story. There were many witnesses.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Michelle Hurd, a prolific actress perhaps best-known for her role on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, posted her personal account and accusations Thursday evening on her Facebook page, according to media reports.
A representative for Hurd has not yet responded to TheWrap's request for comment.
Hurd's story begins when she was doing stand-in work on The Cosby Show. According to the actress, her relationship with Cosby started out innocently enough, with the two eating lunch together every day in his dressing room. The sitcom star then escalated it through what Hurd remembered as weird acting exercises [where] he would move his hands up and down my body.
blackcrowflies
(207 posts)defense of Cosby as the victim of racists. (Other victims may be Black as well, I didn't have time to look them up after his disgusting post.)
Of course, if we were discussing a certain other conflict, he'd say Michelle was a "self-hating Black."
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)They are rape deniers and NO evidence is enough. Rape deniers come out of the woodwork whenever there's a story about a woman being sexually assaulted. They rush to the defense of the rapist and begin accusing the victims of everything from misandry to racism. They hide behind "innocent until proven guilty," but have no problem saying that the victims are guilty of lying and defaming.
What people need to remember is that we are on an anonymous message board with many others. We are not in a community of people we all personally know. Now consider that rape is a very common crime, so when you are interacting with thousands of people, you can bet there are some who have sexually assaulted women. It's just simple math. Is a man who sexually assaults women going to say Cosby is a rapist and condemn him? Nope. He's going to defend him to hell and back. One in five American women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime. That means MANY rapists abound, and since most rapes go unreported and unpunished, it also means there are many rapists in our society... and they go on the internet too. Also, it should be noted that just because someone says he's a liberal doesn't mean there's no way he would sexually assault a woman.
Am I saying all Cosby defenders are rapists? No, but something is very wrong when a person chooses to believe the word of one man over the word of 15 women. Something very wrong. Misogyny is a very ugly and pervasive problem in almost every culture, and America has a bad case of it. There are even some women who are steeped in this hatred because, after all, they were raised in this culture too. And make no mistake, at the root of all sexual assaults and rape denials and victim blaming is a hatred of women.
spooky3
(34,462 posts)A male guard offers corroboration.
SunSeeker
(51,579 posts)Yet no one took those women seriously. Cosby got the NAACP Image Award in 2007.
But when one male comic calls Cosby a rapist during a stand up routine this month, people finally start to think there might be something to this. I guess nothing is true until a man says it is.
Pretty sad commentary on how women are viewed in this country.
0nirevets
(391 posts)I used to like Cosby's comedy. If one woman makes accusations against a celeb it remains a he said-she said story without some kind of evidence beyond the testimony. Troubling, but mere suspicion. When 14 women independently say the same thing, coming out of hiding after years of silence, all making the same accusations, then that is something completely different. Bill Cosby is revealed as a serial sexual predator and a disturbing creep. NBC and any other network considering new projects or currently showing any of his previous shows should immediately dump him like a truckload of manure. Screw him, and screw Woody Allen too.
cali
(114,904 posts)TNNurse
(6,928 posts)There will probably some people who will "jump in" for attention. We have seen that before. It is impossible to believe that he is innocent of all of this. He apparently had a system.
If you are as rich as he is and still touring and planning on new shows at 77, you have an ego that needs to be fed. That kind of ego usually comes with a huge feeling of power and believing you can do anything you want. I believe that describes Bill Cosby.
appalachiablue
(41,155 posts)Agree, put him w/ Arnold, Woody Allen, others. I don't see him as a black man creep, just as CREEP.
How did he think this would never come up? What a fraud, narcissist. Yuck..
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)In a somewhat detached way of looking at it. How powerful the media is in creating stars. Stars that are elevated to untouchable status. And how that powerful status created by the media prevents many from even believing real charges against those stars. Michael Jackson comes to mind as well. That so many of us find it impossible to detach the worshiped celebrity creation from any nasty human faults they may be caught engaging in.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Under 18 years of age, I think..if that is accurate, do we know if the entertainment
industry, which employes underage people, become as a result, mandatory reporters?
I would hope as a society we have afforded the young at least that much protection
at this point in time..it was not in place for these victims, it might have made a
difference.