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It's okay when the white guy does it, right? (Original Post) Playinghardball Nov 2014 OP
IOKIYAR Kalidurga Nov 2014 #1
+1,000,000 yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #6
The Republicans hate Obama mostly because he is black. End of story. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #10
Well it's different when sarisataka Nov 2014 #2
What did public opinion polls at the time say? Savannahmann Nov 2014 #3
Not whole heartdly but it wasn't sold that way to the public helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #11
But public opinion polls showed about a third of the population supporting the move. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #20
Didn't he have 840high Nov 2014 #4
congress ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #13
Thank you for the info. 840high Nov 2014 #19
It all comes down to selective memory QuebecYank Nov 2014 #5
Yep, 13 attacks awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #12
Thank you! QuebecYank Nov 2014 #16
I spent 3 weeks in Montreal awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #17
Montreal, is Green Bay North QuebecYank Nov 2014 #21
It's ALWAYS wrong for a dem to follow the path of a sacred republican HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #7
We can't have a black man making decisions for the whole country. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #8
To be honest, I don't remember most republicans being in favor of it then, either. n/t hughee99 Nov 2014 #9
Exactly. But it got through Congress due to horse trading. ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #23
Absolutely, but as most DUers know well, what a party passes for legislation hughee99 Nov 2014 #24
I was doing okay. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #14
He's also an Aquarius while Obama is a Leo. egduj Nov 2014 #15
How about a trigger wanring before putting Reagan's ugly mug on DU? FSogol Nov 2014 #18
CNN today cut together Obama's immigration speech with GW Bush's csziggy Nov 2014 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #25
Oh well. If Reagan did it, that makes it OK. Right? Joe Magarac Nov 2014 #26
Take a look at who are the Wellstone ruled Nov 2014 #27
that certainly appears to be correct. spanone Nov 2014 #28
Actually, now that I think more about it, this may have been one of the dumbest arguments I've seen hughee99 Nov 2014 #29
In all fairness, I remember them hating this act by Reagan. Marr Nov 2014 #30

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. IOKIYAR
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:21 PM
Nov 2014

I think it has more to do with party than race. Republicans don't like Obama because he is a democrat. However they do attack him in a racist way, they probably wouldn't do it if he was a Republican though. Just like some people attack black Republicans in a racist way, they wouldn't do if they were Democrats. Racism is wrong no matter what side does it for whatever reason.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
3. What did public opinion polls at the time say?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:34 PM
Nov 2014

Did people wholeheartedly embrace it? Did a majority of the people line up and cheer that Reagan had taken the action?

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
11. Not whole heartdly but it wasn't sold that way to the public
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:01 PM
Nov 2014

The law was suppose to fix the border and crack down on employers

none of that happened

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
20. But public opinion polls showed about a third of the population supporting the move.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:58 PM
Nov 2014

That is reasonably consistent with the polling results today. Interestingly at the time, Organized labor objected to it claiming it would replace American workers with Mexican workers. The employer sanctions were opposed by the Hispanic community because of fears of discrimination on all Hispanics.

Here is a outtake of a book on the issue. The book cost a hundred bucks or so, probably if I was bored enough to get it I'd try and find one used on ebay or Amazon.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0BfcwmuNyRoC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=poll+support+Reagan+amnesty+plan&source=bl&ots=fPl-Eph0SZ&sig=GZ6YR87kJvGbR2WbxYc8Fkfyxt4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hZJvVPPMNISgNp3Jg8AL&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=poll%20support%20Reagan%20amnesty%20plan&f=false

The Immigration reform of the era was also intertwined with a national ID card, guest worker, and employer sanctions. I remember it because I'd just gotten to California and it was a hot topic in Current Events, so we all discussed the newspaper articles on the issue.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
13. congress
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:10 PM
Nov 2014

had passed a law that granted legal status to about 3 million IIRC. Then Reagan signed the executive order that affected about 100,000 families so the children of the people falling under the legislation were granted deferred deportation.

QuebecYank

(147 posts)
5. It all comes down to selective memory
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:08 PM
Nov 2014

The GOP seems to be suffering from short-term memory loss they remember Benghazi but forget the number of attacks on, and deaths of, US personnel during the GWB administration. Or, it could just be selective memory. Either way, the GOP/TP have a buffet-type approach when arguing Obama's plans, or defending their arguments.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
12. Yep, 13 attacks
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:05 PM
Nov 2014

and 60 deaths under Bush, and we never heard much about those at all. Welcome to DU

QuebecYank

(147 posts)
21. Montreal, is Green Bay North
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:58 PM
Nov 2014

Most English-speaking people want to leave. I think you can get poutine, just about anywhere now.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. It's ALWAYS wrong for a dem to follow the path of a sacred republican
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:29 PM
Nov 2014

because it provides a comparison that republicans can't tolerate.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
24. Absolutely, but as most DUers know well, what a party passes for legislation
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

doesn't necessarily reflect what the members want.

egduj

(805 posts)
15. He's also an Aquarius while Obama is a Leo.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:39 PM
Nov 2014

But using race to differentiate between the two makes a much hipper meme.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
22. CNN today cut together Obama's immigration speech with GW Bush's
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:55 PM
Nov 2014

They used the same words, the same ideas:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-immigration-bush/index.html?hpt=po_c1

But CNN faults President Obama for "changing the rules" instead of giving up the way Bush did.

On immigration, a tale of two presidents
By Stephen Collinson, CNN
updated 11:27 AM EST, Fri November 21, 2014

Washington (CNN) -- When George W. Bush couldn't get an immigration overhaul though the Senate, he gave up. When Barack Obama couldn't get a bill through the House, he changed the rules.

Rewriting the immigration system was at the core of Bush's "compassionate conservatism" political brand and was dear to his heart.

"It didn't work," a deflated Bush said on a June day seven years ago when the comprehensive reform effort finally died on Capitol Hill.

<SNIP>

Obama refuses to accept the same fate.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-immigration-bush/index.html?hpt=po_c1

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
27. Take a look at who are the
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

new Union Members. Hispanics and African American as well as Asian folks that are doing the shit many of our so called White Americans think is beneath their privileged status. Lots of moving parts to our Democracy isn't. Now step up and make it work,it does know one any good bad mouthing progress,either lead follow or get the hell out of the way.

spanone

(135,854 posts)
28. that certainly appears to be correct.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N—, n—, n—.” [Editor's note: The actual word used by Atwater has been replaced with "N—" for the purposes of this article.] By 1968 you can’t say “n—” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut taxes and we want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N—, n—.” So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner.


This analysis was provided by a young Lee Atwater. Its significance is two fold: First, it offers an unvarnished account of Reagan’s strategy. Second, it reveals the thinking of Atwater himself, someone whose career traced the rise of GOP dog whistle politics. A protégé of the pro-segregationist Strom Thurmond in South Carolina, the young Atwater held Richard Nixon as a personal hero, even describing Nixon’s Southern strategy as “a blue print for everything I’ve done.” After assisting in Reagan’s initial victory, Atwater became the political director of Reagan’s 1984 campaign, the manager of George Bush’s 1988 presidential campaign, and eventually the chair of the Republican National Committee. In all of these capacities, he drew on the quick sketch of dog whistle politics he had offered in 1981: from “n—, n—, n—” to “states’ rights” and “forced busing,” and from there to “cutting taxes”—and linking all of these, “race . . . coming on the back burner.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/the_racism_at_the_heart_of_the_reagan_presidency/

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
29. Actually, now that I think more about it, this may have been one of the dumbest arguments I've seen
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nov 2014

in recent memory.

The implication is that the republicans are racists, right? They're okay when Reagan does it, but hate it when the "black guy" does it?

If they're really racists, they won't care WHO is signing an EO that lets millions of "brown people" stay in the US, because if they're racists, they hate the "brown people" too.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
30. In all fairness, I remember them hating this act by Reagan.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:56 PM
Nov 2014

It was the thing they always cited as his one big 'mistake'.

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