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WillParkinson

(16,862 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:25 PM Nov 2014

Texas approves textbooks with Moses as founding father.

Texas approves textbooks with Moses as Founding Father

November 21, 2014Leave a Comment
by: Michael Stone
Christian conservatives win, children lose: Texas textbooks will teach public school students that the Founding Fathers based the Constitution on the Bible, and the American system of democracy was inspired by Moses.
On Friday the Republican-controlled Texas State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 to approve the biased and inaccurate textbooks. The vote signals a victory for Christian conservatives in Texas, and a disappointing defeat for historical accuracy and the education of innocent children.
The textbooks were written to align with instructional standards that the Board of Education approved back in 2010 with the explicit intention of forcing social studies teaching to adhere to a conservative Christian agenda. The standards require teachers to emphasize America’s so called “Christian heritage.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/11/texas-approves-textbooks-with-moses-as-founding-father/


I hope to hell I've been taken in by a hoax, because this is downright scary.



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Texas approves textbooks with Moses as founding father. (Original Post) WillParkinson Nov 2014 OP
The collapse of western civilization. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #1
No, just ours. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #13
get a court challenge on it. and good luck. I wouldhave to move. roguevalley Nov 2014 #35
Unfortunately, because of Texas' size awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #36
you have the best and most deep wishes for good from me then, honey. Hugs. roguevalley Nov 2014 #37
I still haven't adjusted to this crazy state awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #44
My thought precisely. This is the beginning of the end of the Anglo-American-Australian Empire. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #23
True. It'll mean the end of the world as we know it. Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #32
What started with Isaac Newton DBoon Nov 2014 #54
Don't suppress with Texas! n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #64
The article does not match the title yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #47
Hmm, I wonder if it has the part about the world being a terrible place louis-t Nov 2014 #2
They must have run out of libraries to burn Dirty Socialist Nov 2014 #3
All I can do is laugh. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #4
Won't just be Texas, they have tremendous influence on textbooks. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #6
No way other states put up with that kcr Nov 2014 #41
Actually my kids here in TX don't use textbooks ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #15
"I used to be disgusted / but now I'm just amused" Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #17
Religious fundies working to destroy civilization in yet another arena on point Nov 2014 #5
It's all about turning folks against public schools. This will help a lot. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #7
Here's the actual story... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #8
Don't assume that moving on to tablets means no textbooks. pnwmom Nov 2014 #10
omg ... honestly I thought you were talking about these ... sunnystarr Nov 2014 #20
LOL. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #28
So did I…and PCIntern Nov 2014 #74
omg yessssss lol sunnystarr Nov 2014 #75
If I was a parent who "assumed" things, I wouldn't be much of a parent at all. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #59
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity.. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #69
The stoopid never stops. Fuddnik Nov 2014 #9
The title is a little misleading: the district is teaching that the Constitution was based on Wella Nov 2014 #11
Thank you. Great post. Simply said and accurate. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #30
Headline titles are more of an art JonLP24 Nov 2014 #48
I get it. Was it Jon Stewart who had something on the creation of blog titles? Wella Nov 2014 #51
" The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content." < Much like this post. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2014 #71
I'm not writing a blog or a news story; nor am I writing a title to misrepresent facts Wella Nov 2014 #72
it's not like you can make people here that much more stupid Skittles Nov 2014 #12
Don't misunderestimate them n/t IDemo Nov 2014 #31
the progressives, no Skittles Nov 2014 #55
+1 BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #49
Next we are going to hear how Moses... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #14
Oh, sure, I bet you think George Washington crossed the Delaware all by himself? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #16
... BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #50
From the WSJ article: Kablooie Nov 2014 #18
Christian conservatives are a load of sick fucks. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #19
Read "The Authoritarians" if you're interested BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #52
Thanks. I copied the link into my links folder. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #57
I knew it was Moses packman Nov 2014 #21
Except the First Amendment and the First Commandment say two opposite things jberryhill Nov 2014 #42
Some of our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #22
what???!!!! heaven05 Nov 2014 #24
Revisionism jalan48 Nov 2014 #25
I was thinking George Orwell myself exboyfil Nov 2014 #38
Fuck it, I give up. If this is true, we'Re seriously in Idiocracy territory now. Initech Nov 2014 #26
It's not only the children losing nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #27
I heard it on great authority that their were fifteen commandments. longship Nov 2014 #29
I teach these kids in community college in Texas ashling Nov 2014 #33
You're misunderstanding this. It's a boon for education. Trillo Nov 2014 #46
You are a teacher joeglow3 Nov 2014 #62
Actually, the assignment was to compare the method's of ashling Nov 2014 #70
I hate it when teachers interject their personal views into the classroom. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #77
The sarcasm was for this site ONLY ashling Nov 2014 #79
Moses freed slaves, and if the constitution is based on Moses Yavin4 Nov 2014 #34
Don't you know only Jewish slaves need to be freed exboyfil Nov 2014 #40
"Why do we always have to be the stupid country?" -- Bill Maher Auggie Nov 2014 #39
The biblitution shrugged gwheezie Nov 2014 #43
Wait...Moses didn't help defeat the German horde at Hidden Valley Fort? Rex Nov 2014 #45
As liberal elites sit back and laugh, they refuse to understand how dangerous this has become YOHABLO Nov 2014 #53
Bunch of sick fucks. geomon666 Nov 2014 #56
Our textbooks are now being vetted by the people who cried when they heard there is no Santa Claus DFW Nov 2014 #58
Maybe an A.C.L.U. or F.F.R. case. Hoppy Nov 2014 #60
Dear God, do they believe Texas is the Promised Land? aquart Nov 2014 #61
I wonder which countries our scientists will flee to? n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #63
thank god texass no longer has a strangle hold on all textbooks. pansypoo53219 Nov 2014 #65
Okay, so Moses is the "Founding Father"... KansDem Nov 2014 #66
My daughter and I talk TBF Nov 2014 #67
Moses Malone? JEB Nov 2014 #68
Question? bleedinglib Nov 2014 #73
The appropriate term is he "trickled" down from the mountain. Takket Nov 2014 #78
Moses.... Historic NY Nov 2014 #76
It's worrying that they mention a mythical figure as having any influence at all muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #80
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
36. Unfortunately, because of Texas' size
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:56 PM
Nov 2014

they set the standard for the rest of the country. Hopefully others states start standing up and demand some sanity, because sanity won't come from here

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
44. I still haven't adjusted to this crazy state
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:46 PM
Nov 2014

and have lived here 22 years. I want to return to my native Ohio one day, but my grandchildren are here. Ohio can be crazy, too, but at least they have autumn

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. My thought precisely. This is the beginning of the end of the Anglo-American-Australian Empire.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:23 PM
Nov 2014

The ignorance and wishful thinking along with military power and the willingness to use military power accompanied by a rejection of learning, science, study, investigation, honesty, realism -- all will result in the deterioration of our society into an opinionated, superstitious and very foolish chaos. That makes a society vulnerable to conquest by others. It's pretty sad.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
47. The article does not match the title
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:22 PM
Nov 2014

Not a surprise. Very typical actually. It does allow more faulse doom and gloom though.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
2. Hmm, I wonder if it has the part about the world being a terrible place
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:29 PM
Nov 2014

until Ronnie Reagan came along and saved us all. Oh wait, that was Huckabee's children's indoctrination book.

lpbk2713

(42,763 posts)
4. All I can do is laugh.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:40 PM
Nov 2014






It won't be long before the enlightened world sees a diploma
from any Texas school at any level as worthless. Too bad the
children will have to pay for such stupidity.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
41. No way other states put up with that
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

Never mind once its implemented it will be successfully legally challenged because no way this passes constitutional muster.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
15. Actually my kids here in TX don't use textbooks
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:40 PM
Nov 2014

as their primary sources very often except for in their math classes. I think maybe in early elementary years they'd use the social studies and science books a little. And one had a Texas history teacher who relied primarily on the textbook but still supplemented quite a bit.

Edited to add: After polling my kids on this, one told me than in an AP history class they use the book more frequently than in past classes, but it's not a Texas book.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
8. Here's the actual story...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:50 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-oks-new-history-textbooks-despite-complaints/

This blogger appears to have smooshed together comments by board members into his story.

Here is a snippet:

"Others brought conflicting testimony about the role of Christianity in our nation's founding.

"Moses was a lawgiver as well as a religious leader," said Jonathan Saenz of Texas Vales, while quoting past Supreme Court decisions.

"Passages exaggerating the influence of Christianity on this nation's founding still remain in some of the textbooks," countered Zachary Kopplin with Americans United for Separation of Church and State."


snip-

The Republican-controlled State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 Friday, sanctioning most proposed books and electronic lessons. It defeated six books, however, and Houghton Mifflin Harcourt withdrew a high school government textbook.

-snip

For what it's worth, my son is a high school junior here in Texas (Houston). His textbooks (when they used them — the school has moved on to tablets) were not steeped in Christianity.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
10. Don't assume that moving on to tablets means no textbooks.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

They might have loaded the textbooks onto the tablets.

PCIntern

(25,564 posts)
74. So did I…and
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:14 PM
Nov 2014

remember Mel Brooks' "These fifteen Commandments..(drops one tablet)…these ten Commandments….)

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
59. If I was a parent who "assumed" things, I wouldn't be much of a parent at all.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014


Don't assume I'm not paying attention to what my kid is doing in school. No, they are not accessing and downloading textbooks. If you read the entire article, it speaks of what you are talking about. I'd be pretty damned stupid not to realize that.



 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
69. "The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain
 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
11. The title is a little misleading: the district is teaching that the Constitution was based on
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

Biblical inspiration, not that Moses was a literal "founding father."

I hate when blog writers use these inflammatory and inaccurate headlines. I guess that's how they make their money.

That being said, it is inaccurate to say that Biblical law was the model for the Constitution. The American governmental structure was designed based on the writings of Enlightenment writers, including John Locke and Montesquieu. The founders may have depended on religion to civilize the populace, but they did not take their ideas on government from any particular church or from the Bible. Texas is trying to save Christianity by glomming it on to something that it did not influence very much at all.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
48. Headline titles are more of an art
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:28 PM
Nov 2014

Journalists in general do this. How do you get readers? By the title.

For example I remember a title "Tiger Woods pulls out iPhone on course, causes stir" -- It was really a minor story but with his "racy texts" the article mentions it gives a perception of something far more interesting than it actually is.

"He was helping me with my putting," Mark O'Meara, another former Masters champion, said. "I had a loop in my putting stroke. He wanted to film my putting stroke."

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/tiger-woods-pulls-out-iphone-on-course-causes-stir-1.499387#ixzz3JqoRe6Jg

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
51. I get it. Was it Jon Stewart who had something on the creation of blog titles?
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:09 AM
Nov 2014

The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
72. I'm not writing a blog or a news story; nor am I writing a title to misrepresent facts
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:33 PM
Nov 2014

Your analogy doesn't work.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
49. +1
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:08 AM
Nov 2014

I've got to go to Europe shortly and deal with the usual "stupid American" bias that the rest of the world has. Well founded in some ways as we are so backward from the rest of the first world. Sigh. When people ask if I'm American, I just say "I'm from California." That helps. Sigh.

And California is going to fix this textbook shit right quick, so I don't really worry about it.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
18. From the WSJ article:
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:49 PM
Nov 2014
Students also are required to learn that America's founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions, "especially biblical law," and principles laid down by Moses.


So you aren't being taken in but he isn't defined precisely as a Founding Father.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
52. Read "The Authoritarians" if you're interested
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:12 AM
Nov 2014

Explains how they are made. It perfectly explains how seemingly nice people can have these extremely bizarre beliefs. I think it's important that we all understand that conservatives are in fact being *purposely* manufactured. And then come up with ways to deal with it (I have a theory).

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
57. Thanks. I copied the link into my links folder.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:34 AM
Nov 2014

I think there are quite enough conservatives as it is without them being purposely manufactured.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
21. I knew it was Moses
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:03 PM
Nov 2014

And here he is holding the first 10 admendments to the Constitution- what further proof do we need?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
42. Except the First Amendment and the First Commandment say two opposite things
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:07 PM
Nov 2014

I can never figure out this "Biblical Constitution" stuff given the outright contradiction between:

Commandment 1: You will only worship one God.

Amendment 1: You can worship whatever gods you want.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. Some of our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:17 PM
Nov 2014

Thomas Jefferson for one.

Wow! How is it that a bunch of historical illiterates get to approve history textbooks?

I would advise them to read the correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson as it pertains to religion.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. what???!!!!
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:23 PM
Nov 2014

they are crazy. Poor kids....these religious dolts are just as bad as any extremists in any religion. Idiots.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
33. I teach these kids in community college in Texas
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:38 PM
Nov 2014

way too many of them already think that way.

I had a student a few years back write that she felt that the constitution was divinely inspired in what was supposed to be an essay comparing the constitutional interpretation of Scalia vs. that of a sane person. The paper went on to say that the Hebrews would never have questioned what god meant in the ten commandments -- then she went on to write them all in her paper. They would hve just accepted them like god put them in the bible - King James Version, of course.

I kid you not

she used only two sources: the text book (reluctantly I assume) and some book by a preacher fro Azle, Tx (I don't remember whether or not it was "Dr." and self proclaimed historian David Barton.)

Then there is the paper I assigned on government regulation that was entitled "Government Regulation: a.k.a., socialism"

Don't get me wrong, I have some really great students who are eager to learn. Sometimes they don't know they are eager to learn until somebody tries to facilitate their learning rather than shoving FOX and Founding Father Moses down their throats.

Now it's just going to be tougher,

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
46. You're misunderstanding this. It's a boon for education.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:10 PM
Nov 2014

By intentionally miseducating kids in earlier grades, there are more opportunities for re-educating later. It helps keep you employed!

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
62. You are a teacher
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

And have an assignment to "compare the writings of Scalia with a sane person"?

ashling

(25,771 posts)
70. Actually, the assignment was to compare the method's of
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:45 PM
Nov 2014

constitutional interpretation employed by Justices Scalia and Breyer.

I did not think it was necessary to point out the obvious sarcasm

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
77. I hate it when teachers interject their personal views into the classroom.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nov 2014

Makes me think back to the RW bullshit I had to deal with in two college accounting courses I took.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
79. The sarcasm was for this site ONLY
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:31 AM
Nov 2014

The assignment presented to the class had no sarcasm and no personal opinion directed.

However, it is possible to present opinion if it is done fairly.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
34. Moses freed slaves, and if the constitution is based on Moses
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:39 PM
Nov 2014

then why did slavery persist after the ratification of the constitution. Doesn't the existence of slavery mean that the constitution was not influenced by Moses???

exboyfil

(17,864 posts)
40. Don't you know only Jewish slaves need to be freed
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

All the others just take their chances. Here is a humorous animation about the situation:

&list=UULhtZqdkjshgq8TqwIjMdCQ

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
43. The biblitution shrugged
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
Nov 2014

The rightwing fundie loons conflated the bible, constitution and atlas shrugged. Jesus galt preached in his sermon on the mount of money "don't ask me for help"

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
53. As liberal elites sit back and laugh, they refuse to understand how dangerous this has become
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:24 AM
Nov 2014

It's Unconstitutional and I hope Americans United for the Separation of Church and State sue. If Texas wants to become a Christian State, than let them secede from the Union.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
58. Our textbooks are now being vetted by the people who cried when they heard there is no Santa Claus
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:57 AM
Nov 2014

They are trying to make sure that our children swallow their adult fairy tale.

TBF

(32,075 posts)
67. My daughter and I talk
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:03 PM
Nov 2014

a lot about her going to Europe for college ... trying to get her to learn German! I should buy tapes and do it with her.

I would hate for my kids to be so far away but she's the oldest w/a lot of motivation. Texas is not the place for her and I want her to get out and have a chance.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,331 posts)
80. It's worrying that they mention a mythical figure as having any influence at all
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:29 AM
Nov 2014

and a travesty of history to give more ancient influence on the Enlightenment ideas that did produce the USA to Israelites rather than the Roman Republic. But that all comes from the influence of religion - they think their religion must be what produced their country, despite the long association, both in the Old Testament and in European 'Christendom', of kings with the biblical religions.

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