Dunkin Donuts, Perkins, taxi services, gas stations, some churches, hotels, motels,


I especially put the fast foods to show Starbucks is in good company.

If you can't deal with it, the answer is to work in a different field.

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ad that necessary services paid extra to employees.

Not sure when all that changed...

He made laws that two Democratic Presidents have not been able to change back even with Democratic majorities.

It's a win-win for the employers.

for all major holidays when I worked in a Group Home for MR/DD. However, I worked Overnight shift just so I could be home in the day with my family.

That's one of my pet peeves - people who think and claim they are getting double time when they really are not.

Here's how it works. If they work zero hours on a holiday, they get paid for 8 hours. Then if they work 8 hours, they get paid for 16, and so they think that is double time. Or double time and a half.

But REAL double time would mean you got paid 16 hours for the 8 that you worked PLUS the 8 hours of holiday pay that you get for working zero hours. Otherwise the only thing EXTRA you get for working the 8 hours - is straight pay. The other half of the supposed "double" time, you could get at home, without working.

Day Hab and Group Home. When I worked Day Hab, they were closed on holidays. My pay check was the same as every other week. Just that I was able to be home and sleep in my own bed at night.

At the Group Home, my pay for that holiday went from $13/hour to $26/hour. Of course, that one day was a separate line on my paycheck. That one day at the higher wages was also taxed at the higher rate. It still was more money than normal pay, and I was still home in the days for those holidays, but it was not that much more than regular pay.

I advised other people that if they wanted to really make extra money, they would be better off working part time weekends instead, at another Agency. At least they would be taxed at a regular rate, and not double time pay rate. The Agency let people from Day Hab switch with a Group Home employee if they wanted the holiday off.

My main reason for switching positions was that the regular pay rate at the Group Home was higher because of the Overnight differential. Much quieter too. After my cleaning up, laundry, and prep for breakfast, I could just watch TV all night if the Consumers slept through the night, which they generally did until about 6 AM.

as for the higher "withholding". You are not actually paying extra taxes. Your withholding is usually based on you total paycheck, and your tax rate depends on your annual income. It's always better (financially) to make more money, even if "gasp" you get pushed into a higher tax bracket.

Suppose I make an extra $10,000 and that pushes my income into the highest tax bracket (approximately 40%). So I pay 40% (and probably no FICA taxes except medicare (2.45% instead of 7.65%)). I am still $6,000 richer than I would be without that extra $10,000 in pay.

No, it is better to get paid at the over-time rate, even if that does mean more tax withholding.

Take that 8 hour day:

He gets paid 8 hours holiday pay
He gets paid 8 hours regular pay
He also gets paid 8 hours for working the holiday
On top of that, he gets paid an additional 4 hours bonus and gets a "Get out of working Christmas Eve free" card.

He loves working that day.

I, however, have never shopped on the day after Thanksgiving, so there isn't anything for me to boycott.

now THAT is double time and a half.

At my government job, as a part-timer, I end up working holidays without even getting time and a half.

Same annoying crap too, they brought in the temp for four hours. I try to tell them, if I have to give up a holiday, at least make it worth my while - give ME the whole 8 hours pay.

Of course, this last Armistice Day, I had a cold, and not that much energy, so I am glad this time I did not have to work the whole 8 hours. Still out-worked the dang temp, who is slower than tar in January.

Because they get so little time off that there is no other time to buy holiday gifts for family. Ideally workers in the US would have more secure jobs with plenty of time off. Shops should close over the holiday. If places really need to have sales during thanksgiving they can hold them online.

SHUT IT ALL DOWN LOL

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If folks didn't shop on TG, stores would not open.

When I used to work for similar outfits, I was plenty glad to earn the extra money -- double time if I remember.

I do think the companies ought to make it clear that employees can take the holiday off if they want, without penalty. I'll bet sufficient employees will choose the extra money.

The more decently behaved ones are merely more rational about it.

Thirty years ago I worked at a convenience store over the holidays - had to work Thanksgiving and Christmas and we were ridiculously busy...I mean, who knew that many people wanted to eat hot dogs before the T-day dinner? I was not a cheerful worker, I grew up when no stores were open on either holiday and if someone forgot the dinner rolls or the batteries, well, life was like that.

Now we've come to accept that it's normal that workers at convenience stores will OF COURSE work those holidays but retail workers shouldn't. I figure in a few years OF COURSE retail workers will be working and it will be office workers being debated.

And I, too, worked in a convenience store as far back as the early '70s when virtually nothing other than gas stations and a very few drug stores were open on holidays and we were, too, for limited hours.......I think until 6 PM if I recall correctly. So as far as convenience stores are concerned, this isn't all that new.

they shut down at 3 pm. Publix supermarkets in Florida are closed, "So our employees can enjoy the holiday with their families". Gas station convenience stores?

so I'm not saying it's new. What I am saying is that before convenience stores people had to plan ahead and make sure they had what they needed for dinner and that they kept some aspirin and cough syrup on hand and that they bought the batteries when they bought the toys - so yes, there was a change when 7-11s and other stores moved in to towns and suddenly a whole new group of workers had to start working on holidays

But not the employees. Many stores offer very good overtime (which for a low-paid retail employee is a pretty penny) for working on holidays (Thanksgiving included). When I worked in retail, I'd jump at the overtime pay.

Years ago I worked for a 24 hour CVS. For working after 5 on Christmas eve and Christmas day, we would be getting double time (instead of our standard holiday time and a half). I jumped at the opportunity.

And not everyone celebrates with their families. I'd rather have overtime than deal wtih my family on holidays where I'm the third wheel because I'm not married.

holiday with the hopes they will make money, still be in business later, and I will continue to have a job.

IMHO

Now Walmart is a whole different story - that is just greed

My daughter, who has worked Retail for years, finally has off. Unfortunately, her wife who works in auto insurance claims, isn't. Ok, well, at least that is a necessary service. Auto accidents don't stop for major holidays.

Bloomies, Nordstrom, and Nieman Marcus are high end retail. My daughter says it is probably not worth their while to open because their customers won't be beating down their doors on Thanksgiving.

I am kinda hoping to buy gas while on my way to my brother's house

will also be open according to their website.

When my son was in high school he worked at a local family owned grocery chain here in Arizona. The first two years he worked there all employees had Thanksgiving Day off. His third year Bashas' said they could not afford to stay closed. The other stores made money that day because of people still shopping on a holiday.

My two cents - Don't shop on a holiday.

I worked for them 1999-2004, it was always open Thanksgiving with modified hours. They only close on Christmas Day. I don't remember the pay situation, I believe there was a premium for working a holiday. It was volunteer, we got the option of what day we wanted to work: Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, or New Year's Eve.