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kentuck

(111,095 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:31 PM Nov 2014

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer..."

Might be good advice on the upcoming Defense nomination?

Since there are only two years left in the Obama Administration and the situation in Iraq and Syria with ISIS does not appear to be ready to disappear anytime soon, why not appoint someone that can take some responsibility for the decisions yet to be made over there?

That may sound like a political decision but what is war except a failure of diplomacy and politics?

Perhaps it would not be a bad idea to put a Republican in the position? Give the new Republican Senate two or three names and let them choose who they prefer? Otherwise, they will be a deep burr under the saddle for the remainder of the Administration. With all the present problems with the Republicans,why not try to take this one off the table?

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vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. Yes, he should nominate a Republican for a change.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:35 PM
Nov 2014

I wonder if he's thought about Chuck Hagel?

Oh, wait......

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
10. Hagel is a Republican
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:03 PM
Nov 2014

So how does your suggest of him appointing aa Republican read as anything other than a suggestion to do more of the same that he has already done (and which has obviously been a failure since Hagel is being shown the door).

I'm sure he will appoint a Republican since the beltway media narrative that is very important to him says that it has to be a big strong Republican Daddy type. But that wouldn't be any kind of covert, sneaky or manipulative move on his part. It would be what has already been done and what he is expected to do.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
11. And what about the other side of the coin?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:08 PM
Nov 2014

If he nominates a Democrat?

What do you foresee in the next two years if that happens?

Do you think it will be easier for the President and the Democrats?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
14. I'm not saying anything either way.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

Your original post suggested that him nominating a Republican would be some sort of bold, risky move.

I merely pointed out that It would be nothing of the sort. It would be 1) something he has done already, as the outgoing SOD is a Republican 2) Something that all involved expect him to do since the only thing he loves more than appearing bipartisan is feeding into Republican/Media narratives that SOD has to be a big, straong Republican.

I think anyone, defender or critic of the president would be shocked if the person he nominated wasn't a Republican.



kentuck

(111,095 posts)
16. Your assumption is...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:36 PM
Nov 2014

that time, space, and circumstances stay the same. Hagel was opposed by Republicans moreso than Democrats in his nomination. I doubt that would happen again? Reality changes.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. No, Obama's getting the old neocon band back together so that everyone will
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:39 PM
Nov 2014

applaud his foreign policy again.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. There's some logic there
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:41 PM
Nov 2014

On foreign policy Republicans and Democrats aren't that far off. Republicans like to attack Obama as weak and (interrupted to add a republican thought - BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!), but Republicans and Democrats both favor an interventionist policy in the middle east. Democrats might, in general, favor more diplomacy and treating our allies as allies rather than servants, but they really aren't that far apart. In that context setting up a Republican might be a good idea.

The problem is, though, that many people at DU feel like Republicans and Democrats foreign policy should be a lot different, rather than largely on the same page. And for people of that mindset, nominating a Republican, even a moderate, isn't really what they would like to see.

I could be wrong.

Bryant

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. No, she's awful. Ambassador of the MIC/neocon crowd who has
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

been promoting herself for this job for three years now. And never bothered to serve, herself.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
9. I don't like her. She's extremely scheming and power-hungry.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:55 PM
Nov 2014

She thought Iraq was awesome, but just poorly executed, and she's a Petraeus acolyte. Fuck her. But I did remove the reference to her cross-eyed-ness, in deference to you.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
12. I have seen her on several interview shows...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:12 PM
Nov 2014

..and she comes across as very knowledgeable. But she also gives the uncomfortable vibe of a know-it-all dictator-type person, in my opinion. Sparks would probably fly between her and many Republicans, and perhaps, many Democrats also. It would be an interesting choice.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
15. Sure, she's been a Pentagon insider for years, and very good at promoting herself.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

So they'll shove out the old veteran and put her in there (by the way, she refused the Deputy Secretary job under Hagel last year, because she only wanted the top slot) and then maybe David Ignatius will love Obama again. I'm disgusted by this whole episode.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. Hagel is a Republican, though.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:46 PM
Nov 2014

So how does putting another Repub in help matters?

Although I'm sure with McCain and Graham running the show whoever is put into place will be acceptable to the Neocon wings of both parties.

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