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iandhr

(6,852 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:51 PM Nov 2014

Daily Kos: The Men in the Plastic Masks: How Anonymous Complicates Protests in Ferguson

I found this entry on Daily Kos. I want to know what people here think.

A movement without organization is little more than a ship without a rudder. Take an idea—any idea, no matter how noble or just—and let it loose upon the world in great numbers without anyone to guide it and it won't be long until that idea veers off course and devolves into a chaos that will either bury or bowdlerize it. In order to effect social change, your actions cannot be spontaneous and reckless. There must be method to your cause's madness or else it will be picked apart by both the existing power structure and the pockets of self seeking “activists” looking to exploit public suffering for personal gain. Rosa Parks did not simply step onto a bus in Montgomery, Alabama and decide that she was going to challenge Jim Crow by refusing to sit in the back. No, Rosa Parks's action was the culmination of years of planning and struggle by black advocacy groups like the Women's Political Council to desegregate the city's buses and it came 9 months after a 15-year old girl named Claudette Colvin was jailed for acting in spontaneous defiance and refusing to move to the back of the bus for a white person. Most of us only know of Rosa Parks's act of civil disobedience because Dr. King and the NAACP decided that they needed an impeccable representative for the movement—someone who was older and well-respected in the black community—and Colvin simply did not fit the bill. Parks was chosen to be face of the Montgomery Bus Boycotts because it was agreed upon by the leaders of the Civil Rights Movement that she gave them the best shot at achieving their goals.

After a few days and nights in and around Ferguson, it has become clear to me that the same sort of organization that characterized the Civil Rights Movement and Black Power movement in America or the Black Consciousness Movement in South Africa is not here. That is not to say that there aren't extraordinary people fighting day and night for permanent, transformative change in their communities—because there are—but rather that the leadership and organization of groups in Ferguson is much more fragmented. For instance, last night I was over on the campus of Harris Stowe State, the region's only Historically Black University, for a peace rally being put on by the Young Citizens Council of St. Louis when I received a text at 6:30 pm saying that there was going to be candlelight vigil for Mike Brown outside of the Ferguson Police Department in 90 minutes. This presented me a bit of a problem as the Ferguson PD was almost half an hour away from Harris Stowe and the peace rally hadn't even started yet, it would be impossible for someone to attend both events in their entirety.

Weighing my options and looking around at the sparse attendance at Harris Stowe, I decided to leave the Peace Rally early and drive over to Ferguson for the candlelight vigil. Encouragingly enough, the vigil went along pretty well. At a little after 8 o' clock, roughly 75 of us took our lit candles out into the middle of South Florissant Road and held them aloft as we tried to observe 4.5 minutes of silence, in homage to the 4.5 hours that Ferguson Police let Mike Brown's body lie in the road after he had been killed by Officer Darren Wilson. Complete silence wasn't really achieved as there were a few people on the fringes of the vigil that were conversing or, in one man's case, screaming at the top of his lungs for no reason whatsoever, but all-in-all it could be considered a success. The problems only really began happening once the vigil was over and all plans for concrete action had been exhausted.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/22/1346839/-The-Men-in-the-Plastic-Masks-How-Anonymous-Complicates-Protests-in-Ferguson

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Daily Kos: The Men in the Plastic Masks: How Anonymous Complicates Protests in Ferguson (Original Post) iandhr Nov 2014 OP
Government agents have been known to pose as Anonymous, or anarchists or others. merrily Nov 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #2
I'm on the fence about anonymous ever since they released MY personal information. arcane1 Nov 2014 #3
anonymous are a bunch of unprincipled shitbags mwrguy Nov 2014 #4
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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Government agents have been known to pose as Anonymous, or anarchists or others.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:21 PM
Nov 2014

For one thing, it enables them to get intelligence and/or to set people up to commit a crime, so they can arrest them.

For another thing, it makes the protestors look bad.

Also, leaders have emerged in Ferguson, like the leader of the Hands Up movement. He was on TV today, talking about all kinds of plans, including for next year's elections in Ferguson. I really don't know what the author is talking about.

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arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. I'm on the fence about anonymous ever since they released MY personal information.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

And I won't miss those masks when they are finally out of fashion.

When people in those masks protest, they always seem to make it more about them, and are often misguided and counter-productive.

In my case, the transit police killed a transient in my home train station. The "protest" was to shut down that station during Friday rush hour, which led to people being dangerously crowded on the train platform and at great risk of falling onto the tracks. The police tried to reduce this risk by shutting off cell phone service in the station.

How did "anonymous" respond? By releasing the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of transit customers, one of which was me.

Yep, they punished innocent citizens for the perceived crime of government representatives. It was no different than what Chris Christie did to the George Washington Bridge.

That's not activism.

I've enjoyed the KKK stuff, though I disagree with releasing that kind of info about a person unless they are a government employee. But I don't see anything positive about them, or hiding behind the masks, in Ferguson.

The writer of this piece said it well:

With no clear leadership on the ground, the protest movement in Ferguson is at great risk of being driven off course by individuals and groups who do not have the movement's best interest at stake. Anonymous, by their very nature, is first and foremost among these groups because they are a completely decentralized outside force. While I'm sure there are members of Anonymous who live in the Greater St Louis Area, the vast majority of Anons do not live there and thus have little emotional investment in building coalitions that will work through nonviolent means to improve the health, wealth and well-being of the black community in places like Ferguson. Last night, as I stood on the sidewalk watching several young men in Guy Fawkes masks wander aimlessly into traffic and do the Macarena on the double yellow line of S. Florissant, I was struck by the realization that there was a decent chance someone like them would light the fuse that sent Ferguson spiraling out of control.

My one plea to any members of Anonymous who show up for the protests and rallies in Ferguson and all across St. Louis County would be this: take off your masks. On the internet and the realm of hacking I'm sure there are a million reasons why keeping your anonymity is crucial, but in our physical world, wearing those masks serve only to distance you from your humanity. Much like the safety of anonymity emboldens people to unleash torrents of hate speech in the comments section of online articles and on Twitter, those masks enable us to feel above reproach and apart from our fellows. To see someone is to know someone and when I look at a protestor in their full Anonymous get-up, all I see is a cipher. I cannot build community with someone when I don't know their face or their name and I can't trust someone who doesn't trust the world enough to let it know who they are. I never know what to expect from a member of Anonymous and perhaps that's the point, but I'd at the very least like to know unequivocally that they are on our side—that they don't think this is a game. I guess we'll find out soon.


Indeed!

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