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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:14 PM Nov 2014

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground

by Spencer Ackerman in New York

The drones came for Ayman Zawahiri on 13 January 2006, hovering over a village in Pakistan called Damadola. Ten months later, they came again for the man who would become al-Qaida’s leader, this time in Bajaur.

Eight years later, Zawahiri is still alive. Seventy-six children and 29 adults, according to reports after the two strikes, are not.

However many Americans know who Zawahiri is, far fewer are familiar with Qari Hussain. Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010.

Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm.

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147?CMP=fb_gu

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truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. But better to fight them there with drones than us having to fight them here.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:26 PM
Nov 2014

My headline statement is the new modern version of the "domino theory" used widely during the Vietnam era, to keep the money flowing into the pockets of the Big Defense Contractors.

However, with Wategate and the unravelling of the Nixon Presidency, back then there was no "bringing the war back home." But the drones are authorized to bring down anyone anywhere, are they not?

Today they fly over the city streets of many places in Pakistan - tomorrow it could be they fly over the homes of those of us who are too progressive for the likes of the Military Industrialists and their puppets like Obama.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
3. The drones won't be armed? You sure about that? Drones are intended to protect the 1% from the 99%!
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:38 PM
Nov 2014

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. I'm not sure, that is why I said "probably"
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

And probably if they are armed they will use 'nonlethal' arms. Probably. There is a curve to this process.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. What was the cost of killing those 41 men? How many terrorists were created by killing over one
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:58 PM
Nov 2014

thousand innocent people?

The conservatives are worried about Pres Obama's exec orders but don't care if he wages war w/o authority.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
6. And Thereby Creating A Permanent State Of War... Every Innocent Killed Creates New Terrorists...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:45 PM
Nov 2014

God help us all...






 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. This needs to end. This proves that the 99% have zero influence on their government.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:00 PM
Nov 2014

Congress is sitting on their hands collecting their bribes from the MIC.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Perfecting the Robotic Volunteer ArmyAirForceNavyMarines of the 21st Century.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:02 PM
Nov 2014

Owned and Operated by CIA and the Carlyle Group and their cronies with no worries about survivor's benefits or mutinies.



Human, anyway.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. Acceptable collateral damage if you are getting $70,000 per Hellfire misslie...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:38 PM
Nov 2014

Some people will do anything for money...

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
15. **collateral damage** innocents are just as dead as innocents beheaded by ISIS
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

Although we TRY to avoid **collateral damage** (whereas ISIS intentionally and brutally murders their victims) we know for certain our drone program kills mostly innocent people on their home ground. If the figures are correct (41 targeted, 1,147 killed) we knowingly kill ~27 innocent people for every "enemy" targeted.

EVIL is as evil does.

And though it may be impossible to calculate, I'd wager our drone warfare program creates at least 2 new enemies for every 1 it kills (probably much higher than that). In other words, it is counterproductive to our national security.

But very profitable for the MIC and for politicians who scare voters into supporting the "war on terror."

We are perpetuating the terror war, and have become the greatest terrorists in the process.

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