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mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 03:56 PM Nov 2014

Any DU lawyer opinion

My son got a DUI.

Back story. He stopped in at a party near our house. He was involved in a fight with a police officers son. The kid called his dad. Dad showed up as my son was leaving. Dad was off duty. When my son tried to walk past him, the cop pulled his gun out and pointed at him and said "backup" . My son, instead of walking home, got into his truck and took off. The cop never identified himself, so all he knew was some guy pulls up and points a gun at him.

In the short drive, my son put his truck in a ditch, got out and ran home, went to bed. Of course an hour later, they were knocking at the door to arrest him.

The 2 events happened in separate counties. And right now I am not sure of all the details involving the fight, but those will be separate charges in another county anyhow. Which will be determined after I bail him out today, if any.

My question is. How much of a case would they have for a DUI. He was not planning on driving until a cop pulled his personal gun on him. He also never consented to or had a breathelizer and never had his blood taken.

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Any DU lawyer opinion (Original Post) mercuryblues Nov 2014 OP
Legal advice you get on DU is worth what you paid for it. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #1
I fully plan mercuryblues Nov 2014 #4
There's no way to tell. There's not enough information. MineralMan Nov 2014 #7
Lol. mercuryblues Nov 2014 #10
So you're not going to bail him out right away? MineralMan Nov 2014 #14
They mercuryblues Nov 2014 #18
Get a real local lawyer, not a DU lawyer. MineralMan Nov 2014 #2
Not a lawyer MiniMe Nov 2014 #3
First, I am really, really glad your son is okay. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #5
I would think DUI would be easy to get out of Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #6
Can you call him at the station? ucrdem Nov 2014 #8
It seems like it could be a weak case woolldog Nov 2014 #9
Thanks mercuryblues Nov 2014 #15
I had a friend who left a party he was throwing to get more food for his guests and had a wreck.... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #17
Get a local lawyer now Gothmog Nov 2014 #11
I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV Rstrstx Nov 2014 #12
Here in Az, if you refuse to be tested, the cops take your license for a year. panader0 Nov 2014 #13
I think the cop and gun thing would be a separate issue. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #16
IANAL, but... ret5hd Nov 2014 #19
In order to prove a DUI they must prove he was in under the influence former9thward Nov 2014 #20
In many states refusing a breath or blood test SheilaT Nov 2014 #21

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,807 posts)
1. Legal advice you get on DU is worth what you paid for it.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:02 PM
Nov 2014

This might be a bit complicated - you need a lawyer who is very familiar with the laws in your jurisdiction.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
4. I fully plan
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

On that. But it will take a while i would just like to know what he is up against. How valid the case against him is

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. There's no way to tell. There's not enough information.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

He needs legal advice from someone local now, not later. I hope he has remained silent so far. He needed a lawyer at the time of his arrest, and there should be no delay in getting one for him.

Without full knowledge of what happened, nobody can really advise you on what problems he's facing. The longer he is without good legal representation, the worse those problems will be, frankly.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
10. Lol.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

All my kids know to ask for a lawyer first, since they were 12. He refused the breathalyzer and blood test. I have put out feelers for the best DUI lawyer around. Right now he is still sitting in detention. I figure letting him stew for a few days would be good for him.

Right now the only reason I mentioned the cop was because that is the reason he got into his truck instead of walking home. I am not even sure if charges will be pressed for that.

Being 2 different counties, the Dui in one and fight in the other. So separate arrests. I have feelers out for a good lawyer recommendation. By Monday I should have a recommendation and will call for an appt.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
14. So you're not going to bail him out right away?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:45 PM
Nov 2014

That sounds like a mistake to me. But, it's not my kid, so I can't tell you what you should do. A few days in jail is not a good thing, really.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
18. They
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

Arrested him at 3 am Friday. I went to get him this afternoon, only to find out that I cant until 5 pm today. try finding a bail bond in a small town on a holiday weekend. I finally gave up and hit up the atm.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
2. Get a real local lawyer, not a DU lawyer.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:06 PM
Nov 2014

You're going to need one. That's my advice in this situation. Nobody on DU will give you any better advice, I'm sure.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
3. Not a lawyer
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

But did they do a breathalyzer after they arrested him? Or draw blood from him? If not, I don't see how they can arrest him for DUI, possibly could get him for leaving the scene of an accident. If they tested him at the jail after he was home for an hour, could he have had a drink after being upset that somebody just pulled a gun on him? If somebody had pulled a gun on me like that and if I didn't know the guy was a cop, hell, these days, even if I knew he was a cop, I would have been driving home looking over my shoulder instead of paying attention to the road.

Good luck with the outcome.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
5. First, I am really, really glad your son is okay.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

Second, as others have said, it's probably best to call around locally because laws will vary from state to state.

I know I'd be getting a lawyer and fighting any charges.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
6. I would think DUI would be easy to get out of
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

Although I would also expect a charge of leaving the scene of an accident, which will not be easy to get out of.

What did your son say to the police? Did he admit to drunking? Take a soberity test?

And x2 on getting a lawyer.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. Can you call him at the station?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:27 PM
Nov 2014

If so it might be a good idea to remind him to firmly but politely avoid making or signing any statements or confessions until you get there. It might be best to bail him out ASAP before he inadvertently says anything incriminating.

If bail is high you can usually find a local bail bondsman. Once he's safely out of the station you can work on finding a reasonable attorney and getting that process started which might take a few days if you don't already have one.

Good luck and hope it goes away soon!

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
9. It seems like it could be a weak case
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:28 PM
Nov 2014

First, what evidence do they have that your son was drinking at the party? Any witnesses as to how much, if anything? What evidence do they have as to how drunk your son was when he was at the party? Was he stumbling around slurring his words and then crawling into his car? or did he seem normal? Your attorney will have to find this out, contact witnesses and assess.

Second, they will have to prove that your son was the one driving the car. Any witnesses to that? Did anyone actually see him get behind the wheel and drive off? Is it plausible that someone else got in the car and drove off with your son, and your son was the passenger?

Third, even if they can show that he was the driver and that he had something to drink beforehand, they will have to prove that he was "under the influence" or above the legal limit while he was driving. Very tough to prove without a witness who observed some erratic driving on his part, or in the field sobriety tests, or a breathalyzer, or a test at the station after he was placed into custody. There is absolutely no proof that he was over the legal limit or even "under the influence". Running into a ditch, imo, doesn't rise to that level. Note: there may be some local law about fleeing the scene of an accident.

This is a case that I might want to take to trial if I were a defense attorney (on the DUI charge)--depending on how drunk your son looked at the party and whether anyone saw him get into the car and drive off and whether there were any witnesses as to how he was driving. I have prosecuted DUIs and I wouldn't want to take this to trial.

Obviously you should get a lawyer for him. This is not legal advice, just my quick and dirty take of the case against him.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
15. Thanks
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:51 PM
Nov 2014

My son is barely 21. I am not sure if witnesses to his drinking will come forward, some of them were under aged. No breathalyzer and no blood test, so witnesses is all they have. He did flee and come home, but he was not charged with that. Just dui and open container. I have a feeling that they charged him with open container to plea him down to that. But the Dui was my question. I will be getting him a lawyer. Just wondering if my gut instincts were on track.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
17. I had a friend who left a party he was throwing to get more food for his guests and had a wreck....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:55 PM
Nov 2014

..... A half mile from his house on the rural road - went in to a ditch. Split his chin open.

He walked back to his house where his friends decided to take him to the Er to get his chin looked at. He drives past his wrecked car and the cops are investigating. So he stops (first mistake)

The cops were really nice. Asked him if he had anything to drink after the wreck and he tells them no. (Big mistake) He even helped the cop change a flat tire on the cruiser on the way back to the station. You guessed it - the cop gave him a DUI once they got back to the station.

Moral of the story is shut the fuck up. Or, if he is going to talk, all that booze was consumed AFTER the accident.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
11. Get a local lawyer now
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:39 PM
Nov 2014

This is not my area but I know enough that your son needs good help sooner than later

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
12. I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:39 PM
Nov 2014

Run a basic google search, type in "dui charge after the fact".

Bottom line from what I can read is 1) Yes, they can charge him but 2) Proving it will be difficult - at best

I presume they charged him with DUI?

The DUI will be very hard to prove given the lack of physical evidence. A good attorney should be able to get him off or reduced to a charge like reckless driving (the latter might speed up the process more quickly and be cheaper). Whether he intended to walk home or not is probably irrelevant.

What concerns me more are potential assault and battery charges. That the kid has a cop for a daddy could be a problem. What exactly happened between the time the officer said to backup and when he got in his truck? Did the cop tell him to do anything or identify himself as a law enforcement official? How many third party witnesses were there to that event?

Bottom line: get a good lawyer for the DUI case, then see what plays out wrt any assault charges.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. I think the cop and gun thing would be a separate issue.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:52 PM
Nov 2014

And something which, if pursued, would depend on additional witnesses to what went down.

I think making a legal case that "I wasn't going to drive.... but i was forced to at gunpoint" is going to be a tough sell. Was there only the two options of walking past gun-holding cop or getting in the truck? Not possible to walk in a different direction?


Bottom line, though, a lawyer is in order. Especially because whatever the larger circumstances of the case, i suspect any DUI charges are going to hinge on whether it can be proven he drove under the influence, or not.. Little else.

I suspect most DUI judges have heard every explanation in the book as to why someone says they drove under the influence.

ret5hd

(20,510 posts)
19. IANAL, but...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:10 PM
Nov 2014

There was a case I read about in a local paper. A guy kinda ran off the edge of the road and got stuck on the train tracks that intersected the road, then walked to a bar down the street leaving his vehicle on the tracks. He came back drunk (let's face it, he was drunk before he went to the bar) and the cops were there waiting for him. They arrested him for DUI. He got off because the cops could not prove he was drunk before he went to the bar.

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
20. In order to prove a DUI they must prove he was in under the influence
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:24 PM
Nov 2014

while in control of the vehicle. They can't in this case. Hopefully he has made no admissions to the police or other prisoners. The fact he was drinking at the party means nothing. They can't prove he was DUI at the time he was driving because no tests were taken and police officers did not observe his driving.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. In many states refusing a breath or blood test
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:48 PM
Nov 2014

is seen as an automatic admission of guilt. Of course, if they never asked him to do either of those, that's a different story.

In any case, the exact laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and you absolutely need a local attorney who handles DUI cases in your area.

And whether or not he'd planned to drive has nothing to do with the fact that (maybe) he drove while intoxicated.

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