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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody else ever wonder if the 1918 flu was a bioweapon?
Not to be or anything, but I've always half-wondered that in the back of my mind.
Now, viruses were not specifically isolated for another decade or so, but their existence had been proven and they could be cultured. Genetic engineering did not exist, but evolution was widely understood, and strains of virus could be cultured and tested for infectiousness and selected based on that.
The Central Powers' and Entente's use of chemical weapons suggests to me they wouldn't have been squeamish about using it to "win" the war. But you don't even really need to posit a state behind it; this after all was a war started by suicide bombers from an international terrorist cell. The Black Hand, the Bolsheviks, radical-right monarchists, anarchists, pan-Islamists, Zionists, Irish Republicans, hell even Mexican irredentists could have wanted to "bring the system crashing down" (which it certainly did).
The Great War was a big enough disruption to travel and nutrition patterns that the pandemic probably doesn't need another explanation, but I've just always wondered.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)still_one
(92,403 posts)Which did not require any advanced knowledge
However, in this case, and since the whole world was vulnerable I highly doubt it
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)are not really really comparable to what may have happened in any recent conflict.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)It's clear that such a plan was discussed, but it's less clear whether it was actually carried out.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)elleng
(131,113 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Lots of folks died in this flu outbreak.
elleng
(131,113 posts)My father was the youngest of 5, was 5 at the time.
Warpy
(111,343 posts)While Jenner did the early work in protecting people from smallpox by inoculating them with cowpox, he had no clue what either disease actually was or what it was caused by. While they knew that something smaller than bacteria was at work with illnesses in 1918, they had never visualized them (not having electron micrography) and development of other vaccines was slow, slow work.
Medicine and microbiology were both in their infancy in 1918. In addition, much of the scientific infrastructure where the first flu had popped up had either been neglected or had lain idle during the years of the first World War, leaving their primitive means of dealing with it out of the picture. Agriculture and trade had both been disrupted, so people were weak and more susceptible to illness.
In order to build such a monstrosity, they would have needed to be able to do gene sequencing and check the result back in a time when they didn't know what DNA was. They've only managed to sequence it and recreate it in a lab in the past 10 years, figuring out it was an H1N2 subtype only when people who died from it were exhumed from Alaskan permafrost.
Tl,dr: No fuckin way, Jose.
still_one
(92,403 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)still_one
(92,403 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,996 posts)Unless it was a punishment from GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDD for our violent ways. But since 90% of the bible is exceedingly pro-war, I doubt it!
Archae
(46,347 posts)Epidemics happen.
And travel between continents became more common after WW1, so viruses could spread to people who had no experience or immunities to flu.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)war.
I remember my mother talking about it. She was a kid in El Paso and she remembers sick folks being quarantined...
mnhtnbb
(31,404 posts)Flu : the story of the great influenza pandemic of 1918 and the search for the virus that caused it by Gina Kolata
I got about half way through it but had to return it to the library because someone put a hold on it, so I couldn't
renew it. May try to get it out again after the New Year.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)The Influenza Pandemic occurred in three waves in the United States throughout 1918 and 1919. Learn more about the pandemic, along with the Nations health and the medical care system and how they were affected. Also, take a glance at some people who fought the Influenza in the United States.
http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/1918/
Javaman
(62,534 posts)not even in the realm of possibility.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)given the state of science and technology at that time. I doubt anyone would even have thought of doing that with the influenza virus. It just doesn't sound possible to me.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Or is it The X-Files instead?
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)too much Doctor Who.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If you take a look at how awful cleanliness standards (food prep, sewage, shortage of medical care and bathing facilities) were towards the end of the war, it's pretty obvious...
bemildred
(90,061 posts)But you are right that neither side would have shrunk from doing so, if they had thought of it. And you are right that such "weapons" have a long history, extending as far back as we have written records.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)That pandemic was caused by an avian influenza, which was the ancestor of our common human and swine influenza. Over 500 million people were infected, with about 40 million deaths, mortality rate was 2.5%.
The influenza virus is a particularly changeable and infects many species of animals including humans; it shifts and drifts and mutates over time to survive. It can jump species by combining with another influenza virus and creating a worst case scenario pandemic. This all happens without any help from humans, and the conditions were perfect during that time period that it spread unabated. Another consideration - a lot of deaths occurred from secondary infections like pneumonia, simply because the infected were not given supportive care (and there were no antibiotics for sencodary infections).
This will happen again, it's mother nature.
kydo
(2,679 posts)In the military bases when all the new recruits for WW1 started arriving. It is believed to have probably arrived by a young man from rural America on a farm. In the barracks it found excellent conditions and spread.
When US troops arrived in Europe we brought it with us. It was deemed the Spanish Flu because there was an article written from Spain.
And when our troops started returning back to the States they brought it back.