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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:18 PM Dec 2014

The non-indictment of Eric Garner's killer is unacceptable

I don't even know what to say anymore. In my opinion, the officer in the Ferguson case should have been indicted. But the situations with Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner are much more egregious and should have been slam dunk indictments and convictions. In America, we are supposed to have the right to be left alone when we walk the streets.

Even the police have a limited capacity to intrude on that right to be left alone and that limited capacity depends on a warrant (very specific) or probable cause or reasonable suspicion, terms/ideas that also have limits.

What seems to have happened is, the rights of people of color to be left alone outside of those constitutional limits seems to have been thrown out the window.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-article-1.2031841

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The non-indictment of Eric Garner's killer is unacceptable (Original Post) stevenleser Dec 2014 OP
k&r.... spanone Dec 2014 #1
Agree...knr joeybee12 Dec 2014 #2
Can all these people sue for wrongful death? There has to be something ... something uponit7771 Dec 2014 #3
Unacceptable azmom Dec 2014 #4
I am truly shocked that the cop wasn't indicted. HappyMe Dec 2014 #5
I agree it is unacceptable, unfortunately it was what I expected davidpdx Dec 2014 #6
But cops can be indicted, if they are AfAm NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #7
I would assume this is another case of prosecutorial shennigans aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #8
It also shows that even when there is video evidence, the cops still get off free of charge. Rex Dec 2014 #9
The Trayvon Martin case still brings tears to my eyes LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #10
Yeah, the teen (and preteen) murders hurt the most ecstatic Dec 2014 #12
When that happened, I was working a few hours here and there at our neighborhood ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #22
The whole damn system is rotten to it's core. Kalidurga Dec 2014 #11
this is why i said the Trayvon Martin case would not have been different JI7 Dec 2014 #13
Prosecutors will not prosecute police. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #14
The Kop who beat and strangled Kelly Thomas to death got off too. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #15
In case you haven't seen this - TBF Dec 2014 #16
And it's been going on for decades aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #17
I wish that surprised me. :( nt TBF Dec 2014 #18
To recall the (in)famous case ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #19
It's plain and clear: ReRe Dec 2014 #20
Rates of Killing PeterClark Dec 2014 #21
this guy napkinz Dec 2014 #23
more surprising than fergurson CullenBohannon Dec 2014 #24

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. I agree it is unacceptable, unfortunately it was what I expected
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:26 PM
Dec 2014

This is just happening over and over again with officers not being held accountable for their actions.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
8. I would assume this is another case of prosecutorial shennigans
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:43 PM
Dec 2014

and a case brought before the grand jury in bad faith, with no real desire to indict. Prosecutors are political animals and especially in high profile cases, their political future is far more important to them than the quest for justice. Grand jurors usually follow the prosecutor's lead and indict if he seeks an indictment. Every prosecutor who holds elective office, especially in major cities, dreams of eventually being state attorney general, then governor, then senator. The relationship between the D.A. and the police is usually too close, with too much entanglement in political considerations.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. It also shows that even when there is video evidence, the cops still get off free of charge.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:46 PM
Dec 2014

SO what good is evidence if it has no effect on the outcome? Set a dangerous standard now imo. Now we are at the mercy of a cops mindset and not the laws of the land.

Agree, so fucked up I don't know what more to say about it.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
10. The Trayvon Martin case still brings tears to my eyes
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
Dec 2014

He was just a kid buying Skittles, man. Just a baby.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
12. Yeah, the teen (and preteen) murders hurt the most
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:56 PM
Dec 2014

For me, anyway. But all of these incidents are outrageous. Now with Garner's lack of justice, even a few repubs are starting to notice that something's wrong.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
22. When that happened, I was working a few hours here and there at our neighborhood
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:07 PM
Dec 2014

convenience store to meet the neighbors and help out.

Watching young boys and teens come in to get their candy and Arizona tea scared the heck out of me. I wanted to talk to each and every one of them, and tell them to be careful. I live in a "stand your ground" area that is extremely diverse, but idiotic racists thrive everywhere. I wanted to grab up those kids and drive them home.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
13. this is why i said the Trayvon Martin case would not have been different
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:00 PM
Dec 2014

if the prosecutors had brought up race, in fact it would probably have been a more quick not guilty for zimmerman.

just like with emmett till there ARE some people who believe that killing a black person should not be punishable , especially if they are white.

these same facts with the races switched would have resulted in guilty verdicts .

TBF

(32,093 posts)
16. In case you haven't seen this -
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:53 PM
Dec 2014

I'm gonna post this in a few places. When I wrote about Oscar Grant a few times on DU I was appalled that his killer only got 11 mos in jail. Those were the good old days.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. And it's been going on for decades
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 07:01 PM
Dec 2014

In 1970, there were nationwide marches and protests over the murder of Charles Oatman. Charles Oatman was a black 16 year old mentally retarded boy thrown into jail by the police down in Georgia. He was found dead in his cell. The coroner's autopsy found that he'd died from an accidental fall. The family hired a forensics expert for a private autopsy. That autopsy verified that he'd died from a violent blow delivered to the back of his head with a blunt object. Before being murdered, the boy had been tortured for hours by having lighted cigarettes burned into the skin all over his body; he was covered with cigarette burns, something the family wasn't told by the police. Shortly thereafter, the public rose up in protest. The police shot at the crowd, killing six people. I participated in those nationwide protests from where I was living on the west coast.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. To recall the (in)famous case ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 08:13 PM
Dec 2014

(Dred) Scott v Sanford ... the language of that opinion cannot be shouted any loud than the courts are today.

PeterClark

(11 posts)
21. Rates of Killing
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 08:51 PM
Dec 2014

Which cities, counties, states, or countries have the lowest rates of killings by police? I'm getting close to retirement, and I'd like to move to a place where I can be safer.

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