how do we have that conversation with those who watch FOX and listen to Limbaugh and believe there is no such thing as white privilege and that the president is a racist?

So sick of the ignorance.

What I do know is the groups need to work together, what happens to AA and Women and LGBT and others, we are fighting for different ideals, yet we are all fighting for an equality that seems to elude us. We need to be allies together. There has always been strength in numbers. One voice. We need to stand tall for each other. If one loses we all lose.

We need to take a deep breath and open our minds and our hearts, we need to listen to each other, our fears and our concerns. Will we change the haters on Fox? Maybe not, yet we have to try.

and it continues. tears.

we haven't come a long way

for those who prefer to go straight to the source:

Follow The Leader: Explaining The Efforts Of President Obama

And I don't think it's an accident because it's way too convenient, where a lot of white people consider it racist to discuss race or racisim at all. It's this weird Orwellian thing - you can say and do very racist things, but so long as you don't use the N word, if anyone calls you on it, THEY are being racist for bringing it up. I've even seen that right here on DU. I think it's beyond being scared, although I agree that is part of it. There's some intentional desire to avoid all discussion because discussion could lead to change and a lot of people don't really want things to change.

Ms Bigmack

Deflecting from the issue of racism. Feel free to start a thread on the issue of overall corruption, because there is certainly a lot going on, but don't take over threads about racism with some screed about how racism isn't really any big deal.

No post can stand without one.

getting it regarding what the President Obama's job is in our racial crises all over America.

Mahalo for your OP, she

CP did it~ Kudos to him.

and so loving missmartypants~

me, as a white girl is angry! Actually, I'm a bordering-on-middle-aged. As horrific as all this is, maybe we need to have a conversation, and it's happening. Faith! <3

I do see a tipping point, yet we must all sing it loud and together and I believe our voices will be heard, not today or tomorrow, yet soon.

Michael is the catalyst on this one. I think we are seeing that. Ya I too am a white woman. Lol~ so many think I am black, I take that as a compliment, yet as white I stand with my black brothers and sisters, we are all one.

I watched Eyes on the Prize a few months ago. Footage from Little Rock shocked white America. It forced Eisenhower to act. As sad as this is about Eric Garner and Tamir Rice there is the footage for everyone to see.

Something like that with Michael Brown, the knitting started to unravel, and whatever we do, we have to keep pulling at it.

Indeed, where IS the serious conversation? To be frank, and accurate, we spend *way* too much time, debating on whether or not all white people have collective "privilege" that we all "benefit" from, or whether or not all white folks are to blame for racism, etc.--we don't, and we aren't, respectively--and not enough time on how to actually find solutions for the very real problems that do exist in this country. I mean, sure, there's hope; the Moral Mondays movement is still going strong, yeah, but we need more. Rebuilding the Occupy movement would be a good start.....

there can be no true conversation. It has never been said that all people have used said privilege as a battering ram. White privilege does not equal racist, until it does. No one now or ever said "all white folks are to blame for racism".

No one has ever said that Joe.

you have had White Privilege explained over and over to you. Yet you still keep denying it

with the youth - i'm sure they are thinking about it right now amongst mulitracial youth mixing it up with their peers. maybe even on mtv or other venues our youth are drawn to. right now on mtv a very popular documentary called "rebel nation" is receiving millions of views - young american indian musicians telling their stories and using their art/music to voice their concerns and issues.

our hope is really with the youth.

I know it began a long time ago in our house. It began when so many hateful people continued slamming our new President after he was elected. I've bitched about that treatment to everyone who would listen, and a lot who tried not to listen.

After today's GJ decision, my husband said, "I think the best thing we could do is move to another country. There's so much hate in this country I don't see it getting better in our lifetime."

Yes, I know that's the chicken shit way out, but we're 71 & 72 years old, and other than complaining to my neighbors, and writing LTTE's I can't think of anything else I can do.

We're white, and live in the horribly prejudice state of Georgia. Myself, my husband, my sons, DIL, and 2 grandchildren and one's boyfriend all have been screaming about how wrong the cops have been, particularly to your black men, and how insane the SCOTUS was when they said "racial prejudice is in the past!" The only way I can see out of this mess is to get a congress & a President who will pass legislation, like they did back in the days of Lyndon Johnson, and FORCE all Americans to stop their prejudicial treatment of blacks & ll other minority races in the US. They'll HATE IT, and they'll fight it, but if the penalties are strong enough, they'll obey such new laws.

BTW, at our ages, we're not going to be moving out of the country. we'll just keep disagreeing with all the stupid people until we're gone.