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joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 12:56 PM Dec 2014

Police officers' shocking responses to the Eric Garner decision

PoliceOne.com is a discussion forum for law enforcement officers, and while anyone can access some of the site content, commenting privileges are available exclusively to verified police. The PoliceOne.com staff "confirm[s] the status of all officers registering for PoliceOne by calling that officer's department directly."

That detail is important, because it means that these responses to the Eric Garner verdict were definitely made by actual police officers:


http://theweek.com/article/index/273046/speedreads-police-officers-shocking-responses-to-the-eric-garner-verdict

You have to go to the link and view them...I can't cut and paste...vomit worthy comments of fringe lunatics...let's stop pretending that it's only a few bad apples.

EDIT: I was able to post some below....

NYPD, NYPD Police Union please get Force Science, Dr. Darrell Ross, Dr. Ted Chan and Dr. Vincent Dimaio to review the case and do a full court press with the news media on how this was not the officers fault. If Garner would no have died (at not fault of the officers on scene) this video would be used as a training video on how quickly the resisting Mr. Garner was brought under control without the use of Pepper Spray or the Taser. Had the Pepper Spray or a Taser been used, I am sure he would have died too, then they would have been bitching why not use some sort of take down move. Geraldo Rivera said he thought the Taser should have been used first in this case. Go figure. The best thing about the Taser being used, is Taser would fight the suit tooth and nail with experts, including some of the ones listed above. This whole incident was done in seconds. It was not a long drawn out procedure.











Posted by ironclad983 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:24 PM Pacific

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Not guilty! Do any of these protesters have jobs, because I want a job that lets me not come in so I can protest about something that I clearly dont understand! Lazy, Jobless, drains on society.











Posted by dpsnarc on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:17 PM Pacific

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I agree with many of the previous comments in that I'm going to steer my two sons away from Law Enforcement. Every male member of my immediate and extended family has been in the military and law enforcement. I also agree with giving the community what they want. I have heard the message loud and clear in that they do not want the police to aggressively go after criminals.

Honor dictates we give 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay but it does not require we sacrafice ourselves for a community who routinely sides with the criminals.











Posted by Blueheeler2077 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:17 PM Pacific

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No cop begins his shift thinking, "Oh, good. Today might be the day I get to kill someone." This is yet another case of a suspect, for what ever reason resisting arrest. HE escalated before the cops did. The cops have the obligation to overcome the resistance of arrest; If they do not, the Criminal Justice system is frustrated. If the use of force is justified, so are the injuries that are sustained by the use of force. Here is another thought: What is the urgency? If this guy was taken into custody a minute or so later, was the community at greater risk? There will always be a lot to think about in these crisis situations, but underneath it all is the citizen's duty to submit to arrest.











Posted by hakint on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:07 PM Pacific

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Justice Department = NAACP
Thank the lord for unbiased, steadfast organizations with no agenda.
Associated Press = Toilet Paper
Do not stereotype or profile, unless its police officers or "white", then its okay because we will make tons of money on the coverage.
We are doomed.











Posted by jjcline on Thursday, December 04, 2014 03:30 PM Pacific

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First, people have to stop calling the take-down technique a "choke-hold." Yes, many officers use that term sometimes saying, "He was choked out." However, any peace officer that has been trained on the "Lateral neck restraint" also formally referred to as, "The Kansas City Lateral Neck Restraint" will tell you that when applying the technique properly, the arm of the officer is not on the front of the throat, the pressure is applied equally on both sides of the neck, minimizing the blood flow, temporally to the brain, which again, if done correctly is supposed to put the individual unconscious for a short time, enabling the officer to place handcuffs on the suspects. Yes, unfortunately this has caused some deaths, especially persons under the influence of drugs such as Meth and/or cocaine. Because when they are under the influence of a stimulant, their heart rate is sky high, and when you cut off the blood flow for even a short time, the heart slows down, and then when released the heart starts beating again at a very high level, which has caused cardiac-arrest. In this case, I agree with another Post, which stated that because the suspect had asthma, and the resistance which was very aggressive, it most likely caused respiratory distress and he stopped breathing. So there was no intent on the officer's part, causing death, and although the neck restraint may have been a contributing factor, when it comes down to it, the guy had was obese and should not have resisted.


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Police officers' shocking responses to the Eric Garner decision (Original Post) joeybee12 Dec 2014 OP
Man, that's a cesspool. I love how most of them justiceischeap Dec 2014 #1
Seems to be a common excuse for abusers... Ino Dec 2014 #38
SO SO grateful this information is being released. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #2
agreed, it is murder DustyJoe Dec 2014 #14
Why post this bullshit on DU bigdarryl Dec 2014 #3
Yeah, let's bury our heads and believe these cops don't think this way... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #4
This is important. RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #6
Because this is a liberal message board and most here can decide for themselves if they rhett o rick Dec 2014 #11
Yeah the truth should remain hidden from our eyes. Rex Dec 2014 #21
Why is it bullshit? DeSwiss Dec 2014 #33
Opposition research. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #37
Those comments aren't shocking whatsoever, sadly. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #5
I know that website quite well... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #7
That comment site is disgusting, they sound just like freepers. Rex Dec 2014 #25
The very reason that I don't trust cops is because I've read what they've written MrScorpio Dec 2014 #28
Thanks I will look that over, we never know who is posting here Rex Dec 2014 #30
Thanks for that link.. yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #46
they ARE freepers..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #40
That's depressing. Rex Dec 2014 #41
they have been completely indoctrinated..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #44
I was wondering when someone was going to point that out. icymist Dec 2014 #45
Explains why Occupy Wall Street was treated as an act of war against The Man. Rex Dec 2014 #47
Yup! These guys try to get the people, citizens of the US, to incriminate themselves icymist Dec 2014 #48
The psych profile test to hire newbies, must be engineered to pick out the abusive ones Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #8
Not shocking in the least. 99Forever Dec 2014 #9
"but underneath it all is the citizen's duty to submit to arrest". sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #10
I would say it differently. They seem to believe that it's a citizen's duty to submit completely rhett o rick Dec 2014 #12
Too bad one has to be a cop to post there. Someone with standing KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13
It has come to the point that I am more afriad of the police than any criminal. MindPilot Dec 2014 #18
No "Good Cops" shouting down the "Bad Cops"? geomon666 Dec 2014 #15
Because they don't exist BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #39
fuck tha police frylock Dec 2014 #16
I notice that many of them are supporting a "slowdown". MindPilot Dec 2014 #17
No such thing as a good cop. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #19
Shocking (not)! The cops are a tight knit closed society that sees things as an 'us vs them' NightWatcher Dec 2014 #20
Wow, went to the site and read most of the replies - looks like freepers Rex Dec 2014 #22
Thugs with badges for sure Kusch Dec 2014 #23
Unfortunately Politicalboi Dec 2014 #34
Is one of the problems maturity? damnedifIknow Dec 2014 #24
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #26
Mike Malloy Read Some PoliceOne Comments On His Show Last Night Liberal_Dog Dec 2014 #27
Thugs R Us or shall we say, we are the police. Madmiddle Dec 2014 #29
What a bunch of bottom feeders. marble falls Dec 2014 #31
Yuck! logosoco Dec 2014 #32
Pigs is an apt term hifiguy Dec 2014 #35
Not shocked. DeSwiss Dec 2014 #36
K&R War Horse Dec 2014 #42
They Hate Us and Especially Protesters otohara Dec 2014 #43

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. Man, that's a cesspool. I love how most of them
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:03 PM
Dec 2014

are blaming the victim for "resisting." If he hadn't resisted, he wouldn't have died seems to be a popular meme over there. They aren't even aware how that makes them sound. It's like it's a perfectly reasonable response.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
38. Seems to be a common excuse for abusers...
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:20 PM
Dec 2014

Whenever my ex hurt me by suddenly yanking my arm, twisting my neck, etc., would say, "You wouldn't have been hurt if you hadn't been resisting me."

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. SO SO grateful this information is being released.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:04 PM
Dec 2014

I just started a thread about how cops will cover for each other.

Garner was murdered, the murderous thug who killed him had several opportunities to stop murdering him, and he kept going because he firmly believes he can kill any human being he wants to kill as long as he can claim that he was in danger.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
14. agreed, it is murder
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:46 PM
Dec 2014

In looking at the video I was and am still puzzled why the Supervising Sgt. on the scene (on camera) did not force or object/order to stop the officers chokehold if it was against Dept. regulations. In my time on a PD in the 70's-80's I had witnessed shift supervisor Sgts physically stop patrolmans infractions of regulations. The supervisor(s), anyone that outranked the arresting officer who was standing watching the entire scene should have been included on the grand jury process for indictment. If a citizen is with a friend and the friend kills someone while the 2 are together, like a robbery/burglary etc. Both the shooter and accomplice are charged and tried for murder. Why was just the one cop attempted to be indicted ? Would have been hard not to indict the murderer doing the chokehold if 5 others were indicted as accomplices.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
6. This is important.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014

This is the reality that we need to consider when we're faced with "bad apples" arguments etc.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. Because this is a liberal message board and most here can decide for themselves if they
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:35 PM
Dec 2014

want to read this or not. Apparently you think you should decide what is posted and what isn't posted. If you think this OP violates Community Standards then submit an alert.

Since you feel so strongly why don't you discuss it in lieu of just leaving a turd?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
33. Why is it bullshit?
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:14 PM
Dec 2014
- Don't want people to see these sick mofo's for what they truly are?

Interesting.......
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. That comment site is disgusting, they sound just like freepers.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:51 PM
Dec 2014

And did you notice most of them buy into this RWing new civil war bullshit? Cops are delusional if they believe our society is that far removed from civilization. No wonder we are getting killed and murdered by these fucking morons. I had no idea they were so fucking stupid - I am glad I went to that site to learn the truth.

Basically imo, cops have bought into their own bullshit garbage that they are perfect sentinels of civilization so you cannot question them. You must just lay down and die for them...or be beatdown and die...your choice.

Wow...had no idea cops were that fucking stupid, yay just what we need - trigger happy cops preparing for the new civil war.

This country is so fucked if the average cop is that delusional.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
28. The very reason that I don't trust cops is because I've read what they've written
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

It's like peering into the Heart of Darkness. That's what PoliceOne is, the other half is what the worst of them have been caught doing…

The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/npmrp

Enjoy!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Thanks I will look that over, we never know who is posting here
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:04 PM
Dec 2014

and if they are really cops. That site leaves no doubt and is a real eye opener. If I did not know any better, I would swear those comments came from Stormfront or some other horrible RWing craphole.

The fact that it is real cops is frightening. They really do hate all of us for no apparent reason. We are all criminals to cops.

How pathetic.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
40. they ARE freepers.....
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:27 PM
Dec 2014

for the most part at least in the South....they ARE!

Firemen and EMS too.....which is what I experienced. Many become so cold-hearted and jaded....I even tried to get my friend who wasn't so bad...to realize he was a Union member...how could he think like that.....He actually believed that firemen should be wearing side arms...or at least have armed guards at all times...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. That's depressing.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

Delusional people with a gun are dangerous, I knew it was bad - but had no idea their mindset is that far gone from sanity and reality. That would explain why they buy into the total RWing crap of some civil war starting soon.

Thanks for at least trying to explain to your friend that he should not look at the world with such jaded eyes. He is lucky to be in such a strong union and should be thankful.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. they have been completely indoctrinated.....
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dec 2014

It was so scary it busted up a 30 yr friendship.....it literally frightened me to think if I needed help that is what might show up!

icymist

(15,888 posts)
45. I was wondering when someone was going to point that out.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

Wow! The crap over there! "The 'racist liberals' are to blame"... "The Justice Department = the NAACP"!... "The Associated Press = Toilet Paper" even after they printed the entire AP article in their 'news' (I suppose the police are exempt of copyright laws)... "AG Holder is tearing this country apart"... "Once again look who is throwing us under the bus and fully attacking us DEMOCRATS. The garbage liberals and the young kids who are their base."...

Do you hear this? According to these police officers the liberals, Democrats, the Justice Department, NAACP, and the young people are the enemy! Is it any wonder why such strict posting rules are enforced there? And they say that WE don't want to hear the truth!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Explains why Occupy Wall Street was treated as an act of war against The Man.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:46 PM
Dec 2014

You think this guy listens to Rush every day? I do.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
48. Yup! These guys try to get the people, citizens of the US, to incriminate themselves
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:59 PM
Dec 2014

by using the meme "If you have nothing to hide..." and yet they hide behind their secure forums on that site! So tell me, what does Mr. policeman have to hide? Bigotry? General hatred? A love to legally kill people? Transparency my a$$!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
8. The psych profile test to hire newbies, must be engineered to pick out the abusive ones
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014

intentionally. The violence on the public is being intentionally done. The weakest victims are always the first group to be assaulted. Steroids use is probably highly encouraged, as well as regular indulgences in violent gaming. Fear and hatred of others are constantly reinforced in the work environment.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. Not shocking in the least.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:19 PM
Dec 2014

It's. We have come to expect from the gangsters with badges. Brutality and murder are their tools of the trade.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
10. "but underneath it all is the citizen's duty to submit to arrest".
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:24 PM
Dec 2014

That is their final belief. It does not matter whether they are right or wrong,

the citizen has to submit to their power. That is the thinking of " I have the

power", which is the foundation of excessive force and brutality.

Where is their supposed slogan: To serve and protect? Long gone.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. I would say it differently. They seem to believe that it's a citizen's duty to submit completely
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:36 PM
Dec 2014

to the police and accept what abuse that officer wants to dish out.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
13. Too bad one has to be a cop to post there. Someone with standing
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014

should post this on their site:

The message to African Americans is simple: "You must comply or we will fucking kill you." If I were a cop, I'd be scared to death and really pissed off. I'd want the grand juries to indict. I'd want the cops who fuck up to be put on trial, to be sent to prison. Because this is how revolutions start. This is what inspires real insurgent violence. When you, as a citizen, no longer believe the authorities are there to protect you but are a threat to your safety? When you're cornered and your choice is to fight or be murdered without any consequences for the murderers? That's a tipping point. The violent cops are undermining not just police departments, but the shaky structure of America itself.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/12/no-indictment-for-white-cop-who-choked.html
 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
18. It has come to the point that I am more afriad of the police than any criminal.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:14 PM
Dec 2014

And I'm an old white guy.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
39. Because they don't exist
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:25 PM
Dec 2014

Even so the self-titled "good cops" mysteriously end up siding with the degenerates every time.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
17. I notice that many of them are supporting a "slowdown".
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:12 PM
Dec 2014

They want to punish the civilians by not going after criminals proactively and basically going on strike.

The streets will be a helluva lot safer with the blue thugs gone,

If you ever had the idea that there are "good cops", a trip to any website where cops post will demonstrate exactly what they think of us civilians.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
20. Shocking (not)! The cops are a tight knit closed society that sees things as an 'us vs them'
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

We've all seen their think blue line stickers on their vehicles, right. They think that they represent the thin line between peaceful society and all out lawless anarchy. They are mostly power trippers who think themselves to be way more important than they are. They think they are mythical saviors of society. (note, all of these are generalities gathered from my time working within these circles and academia)

Cops stick together when they feel that one of them is being attacked by the outside world.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Wow, went to the site and read most of the replies - looks like freepers
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:40 PM
Dec 2014

some of them could barely contain their hatred for the black community. It is sick that cops won't take any responsibility for their actions when they murder someone. Those cops are lucky it is cops only, the comment section would have posters in there ripping them new assholes.

Gee, 'good' cops make excuses and cover for 'bad' cops or 'stupid' cops...how reassuring.

Also I notice many of them are buying into the BS RWing garbage of a new civil war...what the FUCK is wrong with these copper tops? Are that that fucking stupid? No wonder black people are beatdown and killed so much by cops...the mindset is EXACTLY like most of us have been saying here - cops view us as scum that needs a good beatdown. We are all criminals in their eyes.

Their replies just reinforces the notion that they are racist pigs that hate civilians. I was hoping to see at least ONE comment that was sane - but evidently cops think they are entitled way above normal mortals.



Kusch

(2 posts)
23. Thugs with badges for sure
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

If we the people did away with the police, think of how quickly those jobless thugs would resort to crime. It would be like emptying hardcore prisons. These thugs are no different.

Since our communities deal with cops after the fact, why do we need them? We should organize and protect our own communities.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
34. Unfortunately
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:16 PM
Dec 2014

That would create mayhem in the streets. As long as men are involved, the Mine is Bigger than yours will always be there. I'm not saying all women don't get off on power, but women could live in JUST women communities without violence, and with no guns a lot longer than an all male community. Without police, we would have third world communities with everyone carrying guns.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
24. Is one of the problems maturity?
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

Possibly hiring younger and younger people for the job? I don't know but it seems like some act like spoiled brats and that's most likely due to they actually are.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
32. Yuck!
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:12 PM
Dec 2014

There was a "warning" at the top when I went there that their message board was exposed.
I think hiding behind the badge does not help communities anywhere.

Also, we need to end the war on drugs. This has led to cops thinking every person is a suspect. They think that because a person is under the influence of drugs, even when they aren't driving, should be attacked and arrested. Does that really make society better?

All of those cops that took down Garner, weren't there some real crimes where people were actually hurt that they could have worked on?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
36. Not shocked.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:18 PM
Dec 2014
- I've seen this shit all my life. I'm only glad that the scales are falling from people's eyes and that they're finally waking up. In my experience in dealing with these mutants, cops are authoritarian shitheads. The lot of 'em.

K&R





''If we don't fight now, I guess we'll have to be kicked.....''

War Horse

(931 posts)
42. K&R
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:43 PM
Dec 2014

I've been aware of that site for some time. Read much worse on there than this.
Lots of folks have been taking screen shots of the site in case they try to clean it up now that more and more people are getting aware of it.

And that whole "not a choke hold thing" is just BS. Sure, it's not meant to be. But in a heated situation, performed incorrectly etc. etc. it can become one damned quickly.

Life's not exactly like in a bad action movie where you can sneak up one someone from behind and make them pass out immediately...

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
43. They Hate Us and Especially Protesters
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:50 PM
Dec 2014

spoke to a couple of em at Occupy and they called the citizens of our state disgusting names.

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