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That detail is important, because it means that these responses to the Eric Garner verdict were definitely made by actual police officers:
http://theweek.com/article/index/273046/speedreads-police-officers-shocking-responses-to-the-eric-garner-verdict
You have to go to the link and view them...I can't cut and paste...vomit worthy comments of fringe lunatics...let's stop pretending that it's only a few bad apples.
EDIT: I was able to post some below....
NYPD, NYPD Police Union please get Force Science, Dr. Darrell Ross, Dr. Ted Chan and Dr. Vincent Dimaio to review the case and do a full court press with the news media on how this was not the officers fault. If Garner would no have died (at not fault of the officers on scene) this video would be used as a training video on how quickly the resisting Mr. Garner was brought under control without the use of Pepper Spray or the Taser. Had the Pepper Spray or a Taser been used, I am sure he would have died too, then they would have been bitching why not use some sort of take down move. Geraldo Rivera said he thought the Taser should have been used first in this case. Go figure. The best thing about the Taser being used, is Taser would fight the suit tooth and nail with experts, including some of the ones listed above. This whole incident was done in seconds. It was not a long drawn out procedure.
Posted by ironclad983 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:24 PM Pacific
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Not guilty! Do any of these protesters have jobs, because I want a job that lets me not come in so I can protest about something that I clearly dont understand! Lazy, Jobless, drains on society.
Posted by dpsnarc on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:17 PM Pacific
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I agree with many of the previous comments in that I'm going to steer my two sons away from Law Enforcement. Every male member of my immediate and extended family has been in the military and law enforcement. I also agree with giving the community what they want. I have heard the message loud and clear in that they do not want the police to aggressively go after criminals.
Honor dictates we give 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay but it does not require we sacrafice ourselves for a community who routinely sides with the criminals.
Posted by Blueheeler2077 on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:17 PM Pacific
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No cop begins his shift thinking, "Oh, good. Today might be the day I get to kill someone." This is yet another case of a suspect, for what ever reason resisting arrest. HE escalated before the cops did. The cops have the obligation to overcome the resistance of arrest; If they do not, the Criminal Justice system is frustrated. If the use of force is justified, so are the injuries that are sustained by the use of force. Here is another thought: What is the urgency? If this guy was taken into custody a minute or so later, was the community at greater risk? There will always be a lot to think about in these crisis situations, but underneath it all is the citizen's duty to submit to arrest.
Posted by hakint on Thursday, December 04, 2014 04:07 PM Pacific
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Justice Department = NAACP
Thank the lord for unbiased, steadfast organizations with no agenda.
Associated Press = Toilet Paper
Do not stereotype or profile, unless its police officers or "white", then its okay because we will make tons of money on the coverage.
We are doomed.
Posted by jjcline on Thursday, December 04, 2014 03:30 PM Pacific
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First, people have to stop calling the take-down technique a "choke-hold." Yes, many officers use that term sometimes saying, "He was choked out." However, any peace officer that has been trained on the "Lateral neck restraint" also formally referred to as, "The Kansas City Lateral Neck Restraint" will tell you that when applying the technique properly, the arm of the officer is not on the front of the throat, the pressure is applied equally on both sides of the neck, minimizing the blood flow, temporally to the brain, which again, if done correctly is supposed to put the individual unconscious for a short time, enabling the officer to place handcuffs on the suspects. Yes, unfortunately this has caused some deaths, especially persons under the influence of drugs such as Meth and/or cocaine. Because when they are under the influence of a stimulant, their heart rate is sky high, and when you cut off the blood flow for even a short time, the heart slows down, and then when released the heart starts beating again at a very high level, which has caused cardiac-arrest. In this case, I agree with another Post, which stated that because the suspect had asthma, and the resistance which was very aggressive, it most likely caused respiratory distress and he stopped breathing. So there was no intent on the officer's part, causing death, and although the neck restraint may have been a contributing factor, when it comes down to it, the guy had was obese and should not have resisted.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)are blaming the victim for "resisting." If he hadn't resisted, he wouldn't have died seems to be a popular meme over there. They aren't even aware how that makes them sound. It's like it's a perfectly reasonable response.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Whenever my ex hurt me by suddenly yanking my arm, twisting my neck, etc., would say, "You wouldn't have been hurt if you hadn't been resisting me."
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I just started a thread about how cops will cover for each other.
Garner was murdered, the murderous thug who killed him had several opportunities to stop murdering him, and he kept going because he firmly believes he can kill any human being he wants to kill as long as he can claim that he was in danger.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)In looking at the video I was and am still puzzled why the Supervising Sgt. on the scene (on camera) did not force or object/order to stop the officers chokehold if it was against Dept. regulations. In my time on a PD in the 70's-80's I had witnessed shift supervisor Sgts physically stop patrolmans infractions of regulations. The supervisor(s), anyone that outranked the arresting officer who was standing watching the entire scene should have been included on the grand jury process for indictment. If a citizen is with a friend and the friend kills someone while the 2 are together, like a robbery/burglary etc. Both the shooter and accomplice are charged and tried for murder. Why was just the one cop attempted to be indicted ? Would have been hard not to indict the murderer doing the chokehold if 5 others were indicted as accomplices.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)This is the reality that we need to consider when we're faced with "bad apples" arguments etc.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)want to read this or not. Apparently you think you should decide what is posted and what isn't posted. If you think this OP violates Community Standards then submit an alert.
Since you feel so strongly why don't you discuss it in lieu of just leaving a turd?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I love sunlight.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Interesting.......
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Hence my general opinion of all cops in this country.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And did you notice most of them buy into this RWing new civil war bullshit? Cops are delusional if they believe our society is that far removed from civilization. No wonder we are getting killed and murdered by these fucking morons. I had no idea they were so fucking stupid - I am glad I went to that site to learn the truth.
Basically imo, cops have bought into their own bullshit garbage that they are perfect sentinels of civilization so you cannot question them. You must just lay down and die for them...or be beatdown and die...your choice.
Wow...had no idea cops were that fucking stupid, yay just what we need - trigger happy cops preparing for the new civil war.
This country is so fucked if the average cop is that delusional.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)It's like peering into the Heart of Darkness. That's what PoliceOne is, the other half is what the worst of them have been caught doing
The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/npmrp
Enjoy!
Rex
(65,616 posts)and if they are really cops. That site leaves no doubt and is a real eye opener. If I did not know any better, I would swear those comments came from Stormfront or some other horrible RWing craphole.
The fact that it is real cops is frightening. They really do hate all of us for no apparent reason. We are all criminals to cops.
How pathetic.
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)added it to my follow list.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)for the most part at least in the South....they ARE!
Firemen and EMS too.....which is what I experienced. Many become so cold-hearted and jaded....I even tried to get my friend who wasn't so bad...to realize he was a Union member...how could he think like that.....He actually believed that firemen should be wearing side arms...or at least have armed guards at all times...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Delusional people with a gun are dangerous, I knew it was bad - but had no idea their mindset is that far gone from sanity and reality. That would explain why they buy into the total RWing crap of some civil war starting soon.
Thanks for at least trying to explain to your friend that he should not look at the world with such jaded eyes. He is lucky to be in such a strong union and should be thankful.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)It was so scary it busted up a 30 yr friendship.....it literally frightened me to think if I needed help that is what might show up!
icymist
(15,888 posts)Wow! The crap over there! "The 'racist liberals' are to blame"... "The Justice Department = the NAACP"!... "The Associated Press = Toilet Paper" even after they printed the entire AP article in their 'news' (I suppose the police are exempt of copyright laws)... "AG Holder is tearing this country apart"... "Once again look who is throwing us under the bus and fully attacking us DEMOCRATS. The garbage liberals and the young kids who are their base."...
Do you hear this? According to these police officers the liberals, Democrats, the Justice Department, NAACP, and the young people are the enemy! Is it any wonder why such strict posting rules are enforced there? And they say that WE don't want to hear the truth!
Rex
(65,616 posts)You think this guy listens to Rush every day? I do.
icymist
(15,888 posts)by using the meme "If you have nothing to hide..." and yet they hide behind their secure forums on that site! So tell me, what does Mr. policeman have to hide? Bigotry? General hatred? A love to legally kill people? Transparency my a$$!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)intentionally. The violence on the public is being intentionally done. The weakest victims are always the first group to be assaulted. Steroids use is probably highly encouraged, as well as regular indulgences in violent gaming. Fear and hatred of others are constantly reinforced in the work environment.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)It's. We have come to expect from the gangsters with badges. Brutality and murder are their tools of the trade.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)That is their final belief. It does not matter whether they are right or wrong,
the citizen has to submit to their power. That is the thinking of " I have the
power", which is the foundation of excessive force and brutality.
Where is their supposed slogan: To serve and protect? Long gone.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to the police and accept what abuse that officer wants to dish out.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)should post this on their site:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/12/no-indictment-for-white-cop-who-choked.html
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)And I'm an old white guy.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)I'm so surprised.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Even so the self-titled "good cops" mysteriously end up siding with the degenerates every time.
frylock
(34,825 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)They want to punish the civilians by not going after criminals proactively and basically going on strike.
The streets will be a helluva lot safer with the blue thugs gone,
If you ever had the idea that there are "good cops", a trip to any website where cops post will demonstrate exactly what they think of us civilians.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)They're all fuckers.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)We've all seen their think blue line stickers on their vehicles, right. They think that they represent the thin line between peaceful society and all out lawless anarchy. They are mostly power trippers who think themselves to be way more important than they are. They think they are mythical saviors of society. (note, all of these are generalities gathered from my time working within these circles and academia)
Cops stick together when they feel that one of them is being attacked by the outside world.
Rex
(65,616 posts)some of them could barely contain their hatred for the black community. It is sick that cops won't take any responsibility for their actions when they murder someone. Those cops are lucky it is cops only, the comment section would have posters in there ripping them new assholes.
Gee, 'good' cops make excuses and cover for 'bad' cops or 'stupid' cops...how reassuring.
Also I notice many of them are buying into the BS RWing garbage of a new civil war...what the FUCK is wrong with these copper tops? Are that that fucking stupid? No wonder black people are beatdown and killed so much by cops...the mindset is EXACTLY like most of us have been saying here - cops view us as scum that needs a good beatdown. We are all criminals in their eyes.
Their replies just reinforces the notion that they are racist pigs that hate civilians. I was hoping to see at least ONE comment that was sane - but evidently cops think they are entitled way above normal mortals.
Kusch
(2 posts)If we the people did away with the police, think of how quickly those jobless thugs would resort to crime. It would be like emptying hardcore prisons. These thugs are no different.
Since our communities deal with cops after the fact, why do we need them? We should organize and protect our own communities.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That would create mayhem in the streets. As long as men are involved, the Mine is Bigger than yours will always be there. I'm not saying all women don't get off on power, but women could live in JUST women communities without violence, and with no guns a lot longer than an all male community. Without police, we would have third world communities with everyone carrying guns.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Possibly hiring younger and younger people for the job? I don't know but it seems like some act like spoiled brats and that's most likely due to they actually are.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)Seriously disturbing stuff.
Madmiddle
(459 posts)marble falls
(57,144 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)There was a "warning" at the top when I went there that their message board was exposed.
I think hiding behind the badge does not help communities anywhere.
Also, we need to end the war on drugs. This has led to cops thinking every person is a suspect. They think that because a person is under the influence of drugs, even when they aren't driving, should be attacked and arrested. Does that really make society better?
All of those cops that took down Garner, weren't there some real crimes where people were actually hurt that they could have worked on?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Although somewhat unfair to the porcine species.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
''If we don't fight now, I guess we'll have to be kicked.....''
I've been aware of that site for some time. Read much worse on there than this.
Lots of folks have been taking screen shots of the site in case they try to clean it up now that more and more people are getting aware of it.
And that whole "not a choke hold thing" is just BS. Sure, it's not meant to be. But in a heated situation, performed incorrectly etc. etc. it can become one damned quickly.
Life's not exactly like in a bad action movie where you can sneak up one someone from behind and make them pass out immediately...
otohara
(24,135 posts)spoke to a couple of em at Occupy and they called the citizens of our state disgusting names.