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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsConservative White Comedian to Chris Rock: ‘Stop Being a Hateful Racist Jackass’
Responding to an interview in which he said that white people need to own their actions, conservative comic Stephen Crowder attacked Chris Rock for being a racist jackass. I hate to be in the business of questioning comedians, he began. Comedy is comedy, and just like any form of art, it shouldnt be viewed through the lens of journalism. The problem here is that Chris Rock wasnt doing comedy. He was giving a deliberate answer in an attempt to affect cultural change.
Crowder then asked how many hundreds of years white people needed to own before they atoned for the evils of American chattel slavery. He also noted that black people were the original slave-traders, and asked whether Rock wants black Americans to own their actions as well. Is it limited to color, actual race or geographic location? he asked.
Crowder then compared Rock to the French Enlightenment thinker Voltaire, who he describes as having held [prejudices] against people of color. It was wrong for him to be racist, of course, but one of his misguided reasonings (among many) was that he believed blacks to be less than humane, due to their treatment/enslavement of other Africans. The main difference in historical contexts between his racism and yours, is that he was unfairly applying a generality to a race of people currently abusing their fellow humans. You apply your generality based on that of past actions.
Both are terrible, he added. Yours is just worse. He concluded by conceding that Rock is, in fact, a funny guy, but also a hateful one. Id say stick with what you know, but Im scared as to which one youd pick, so how about I just spell it out for you? http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/conservative-white-comedian-to-chris-rock-stop-being-a-hateful-racist-jackass/
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Whit privilege on display with neon lights
Even with all the advantages a prick like you has, Rock is ten thousand times funnier than you and more successful than you...
Now that is funny
JI7
(89,260 posts)Warpy
(111,317 posts)That should tell Crowder a lot more than any ten of us could.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Doing a Mallard Fillmore routine on stage does not a comedian make.
It doesn't work in the comics, either.
Cha
(297,475 posts)mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)When did they ever have a sense of humor?
brush
(53,815 posts)It doesn't really exist. They may call themselves comedians but they're not funny.
Something about the way that authoritative-favoring brain they have is wired.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)right-wingers. Cruelty, authoritarianism, and "father knows best" just aren't funny in most cases.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)which I would say is a requirement of a comedian.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Not surprisingly, they're a lot funnier and more insightful than, say, post-9/11 Dennis Miller.
But yeah, when you consider the all-time greats of standup - Bruce, Carlin, Pryor, Hicks - they all had (at minimum) left-leaning political and social views.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)grandfather was born into slavery in Madison County Tennessee 1862. Ok technically the civil war had started, but he was still born to slaves on that plantation to a white slave owner from where I get my last name. (and for those doing the math, My g-grandpa had my grandpa in 1903, and my dad was born in 1938).
So no it is not that damn long ago. Sorry this is just a point that some racist types make that irks me. People act like slavery and jim crow was in the middle ages and that no one is connected to it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)appalachiablue
(41,167 posts)"Sometime in the mid-1500s?". Seriously. So yeah, the 'way back' is distant and convenient for ignoramus types. Not so much for life on earth. A family members great grandmother was born into slavery, a great grandfather was an Englishman school supervisor who rode around town with his black family in a carriage, the white family at home. Former VA Gov. Douglas Wilder (D) is the grandson of slaves. Not that long ago.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Charlatans are all the same.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)That paternal line had children in their 50's/60's.
"Ancient" history seems near close enough to touch some days.
appalachiablue
(41,167 posts)John Tyler was b. 1790 during Geo. Washington's Presidency. Widower Tyler remarried in 1844 to Julia Gardiner of NY, 20 years his junior, and 5 years older than his eldest daughter. She and T. had more children. Tyler d. 1862.
One of their sons, Lyon Gardiner (1853-1935), also had a late second marriage in 1921 when he was age 68. He sired two sons at age 71 and 75, Lyon Jr. (1924- ) and Harrison R. (1928- ). As of 2013 these two grandsons of Pres. Tyler were living. So their father lived through the Civil War and WWI. Their grandfather, Pres.Tyler lived through the War of 1812 and the start of the Civil War. Three generations in 223 years.
Those older men with late marriages took place we know. As a little girl my Mother saw the old veterans, North and South in Phila. and Richmond. My paternal great-great grandfather was a Civil War soldier. The Last Confederate Widow, Lucy Marsden was the subject of a book and movie in the 1980s, 1990s. At age 15 in 1900 she m. a CW veteran Capt. age 50. At around 99 years old she was interviewed by the book author.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Born 1790. Grandsons alive more than 200 years later. Mind boggling.
appalachiablue
(41,167 posts)He lives at the family home, Sherwood Forest west of Wmsbg. He said Obama is an elegant Pres., smthg. like that. Imagine him the grandson of a US Pres./man born in the 18th century! and talking about the current Pres. in 2013. Unbelievable. There are still a lot of Tylers and Harrisons in Va.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes, slavery existed in Africa for centuries; but before this clown, er, comedian wades into that discussion, perhaps it would serve him to know something about slavery in African vs. slavery in the western world.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)they are typically the ones who trot out the pedantry of 'black people traded slaves first,' doing violence to both a common understanding of the English language and to history in the process.
Cha
(297,475 posts)(sounds like Chrowder's one of 'em) treated and treats Black People since.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)They just don't get it either
They never want to take the blame for anything that happened in slavery. I guess this statement from him makes slavery so much better. Just so evil
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)or at least that's how they identify themselves.
At any rate, it doesn't matter whether they are racist or not, what they display is a clear ignorance of the institution slavery, if they make that argument ... they clearly cannot distinguish between the "slavery" that has existed in one form or another throughout the continent of Africa and that of the west.
Just to scratch the surface, the institution of slavery on the continent of Africa contained features that never existed in the west ... for example, the children of African slaves were born free. Secondly, there were mechanisms, beyond escape, for African slaves to attain freedom, and once granted, that former slave (and their family) were no longer subject to enslavement. Further, in African slavery, there was no comparable supportive cottage industry of slave-chasers. Lastly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, slaves in Africa were acknowledged as HUMAN (and in most cases, part of the tribe/village, albeit of lower status), with the basic rights in treatment afforded to all humans, not PROPERTY.
So, why wouldn't you ascribe that concept of "slavery" to others, and why wouldn't one participate with these "different" folks ... no one came back to tell you differently.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Crowder is a chowder head.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)White Americans' overall treatment of black Americans may have improved substantially over the past 50-100 years, but to say it's all good now is absurd.
And what does white people "owning their actions" mean, if not owning up to the continued existence of culturally ingrained racism?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Everyone else calls him an asshole.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)I hope Rock ignores the little nobody.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)And I'm glad someone saw what I did there.
Let's change the narrative - because the only race hustling I've seen since January 2009 has been from "those ones".
Johonny
(20,872 posts)first thing that popped up on internet search. No need to know more about the guy. For the record I don't understand his complaint. Why would the decedent of an African slave need to "own" the history of African slavery. This is like the arguing the victim of rape needs to own their own rape. Usually the victim understands they're the victim unless your a FOX news guy. Then your a tool to the 1% and you don't even know if they're using you as a wrench or a screw driver.
for instance "You apply your generality based on that of past actions." Past actions... he acts like racism is dead. Hey idiot Chris Rock is talking about not just the past, but today right now on the streets of America. He's talking about the continued cleansing of our history books so the Civil War is known as the Northern War of Regression. What a white privileged no talent idiot. Fuck you and your "intellectual" dishonest comparison to Voltaire.
underpants
(182,861 posts)Departure from Fox News
In October 2013, Big Journalism (Breitbart) reported that Fox News had dropped Crowder. This was announced shortly after Crowder made negative statements about Fox News host Sean Hannity.[1]
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Never was a punch more deserved.
https://m.
underpants
(182,861 posts)In March 2013, Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings declined to press charges against anyone involved in the December 2012 altercation. According to Dunnings, his office was originally sent an edited version of the video of Crowder's altercation. However, upon reviewing the unedited version, the prosecutor's office decided not to pursue the case.[11] Dunnings stated that "It's pretty clear the person that they wanted to charge was acting in self-defense."[12]
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Cha
(297,475 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Kicked out of the Right Wing Noise Making Wurlitzer club by old Shovel Head himself. Relegated to Youtube. Couldn't happen to a bigger D-bag.
Initech
(100,096 posts)0rganism
(23,962 posts)taking shelter under a nominally-reputable profession while spewing vile epithets onto the airwaves
brettdale
(12,383 posts)He wants to be the next Dennis Miller and have his biggest gig, being on the Oreilly show, making jokes about the
LIBERAL MEDIA.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)for showing up at their rally in Michigan and spouting a bunch of pro "Right to Work" state bullshit out of his piehole. He's truly hilarious in this video:
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)got that ass tapped
Cha
(297,475 posts)come on!.. was he asking for it or WHAT!
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)Obviously you do or you wouldn't have splashed a giant OP here.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Since when is being an American exercising a right to free speech a "problem"? Crowder's problem is he doesn't like certain perspectives. Rather than disagree, he wants to shut down their discussion.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm sure it's red meat for the brain-dead idiots who would laugh at a conservative "comedian"
spanone
(135,857 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)he can howl in the wind IDC.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)were slaves also. They were called indentured servants or made overseers and house staff.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)plantation. Only black/Indian slaves, by and large, were subject to that level of brutality.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and like slaves they were considered to be property. And for a while the laws in some states/colonies allowed indentured servants to be killed for certain offenses. But they at least were given the promise of freedom after a certain period of servitude, usually 7 years.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awlaw3/slavery.html
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Though I have to wonder how many white indentured servants were subjected to foot amputation, forced breeding, having their children and partners sold off, etc.
Not that it should be a competition or anything - American history, like human history overall, is pretty much a wall-to-wall bloodbath.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Virginia passed two laws that pertained solely to women who were slaves or indentured servants and to their illegitimate children. Women servants who produced children by their masters could be punished by having to do two years of servitude with the churchwardens after the expiration of the term with their masters. The law reads, that each woman servant gott with child by her master shall after her time by indenture or custome is expired be by the churchwardens of the parish where she lived when she was brought to bed of such bastard, sold for two years. . ."
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)So a woman, whether slave or indentured servant, could get knocked up by her master before her emancipation, and then be sold by the churchwardens of her district for another two years. And then her new master could knock her up, too, and she'd be sold for another 2 years. It sounds like a totally screwed up system.
appalachiablue
(41,167 posts)NY's emancipation date because of an injured hand that he said slowed her work. She only spoke Dutch growing up and went through Hell and back before obtaining freedom to become an abolitionist and women's rights activist.
An early colonial ancestor was orphaned and indentured as a teenager according to court records. His grandfather in VA was one of two (indentured) servants sent to capture runaway slaves by the owner. They were killed, but the owner/master filed a court plea to get money from the Governor for damages claiming he had to take care of the dead men's families- an original 1%er, wanting govt. subsidy/welfare.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)He will playing rhe Chuckle Hut in the abandoned strip mall in Mud Flap Mo.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I see he was born the year I graduated from high school.
I also see he is from Grosse Pointe.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)NBachers
(17,133 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Spirochete
(5,264 posts)Stephen Crowder: Chris Rock is a racist jackass
Chris Rock: Who the fuck is Stephen Crowder?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Sounds like an entitled ass. Born on third base thinks he hit a triple kind of thing.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Conservatives are either humorless or they are bullies, making fun of people worse off then themselves. Comedy is about punching up, not down.
Kennah
(14,298 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Nobody gives a flying fuck what this asshole has to say
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)[quote]He also noted that black people were the original slave-traders...[/quote]
Same shit right wing nuts spew every time.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)If it's meant historically, the original slave traders were probably in the fertile crescent in the triangle Turkey-Iran-Egypt.
If it's meant as those who took the most slaves, it's in the same general region (Arab slave trade)
Olivier Pétré-Grenouilleau has put forward a figure of 17 million African people enslaved (in the same period and from the same area) on the basis of Ralph Austen's work.[33] Paul Bairoch suggests a figure of 25 million African people subjected to the Arab slave trade, as against 11 million that arrived in the Americas from the transatlantic slave trade.[34] Ronald Segal estimates between 11.5 and 14 million were enslaved by the Arab slave trade.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)And he has no clue what racism is.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)and stupid Shit For Brains.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)The mere fact that he makes a living doing what he does represents an indictment on our general society.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,250 posts)His accomplice in this was Mr. Dana Loesch.
Controversy at the time (sidestepping crimes against music etc.) focused on the song's line about "knickers," inevitably interpreted as a risque near-pun on the n-word, and accompanying pantomime. Crowder's certainly a world-class jackass ...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to get recognized by climbing onto Chris Rock's fame. There is no such thing as a conservative comedian.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)it's on.