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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:59 PM Dec 2014

A counterpoint to the Rolling Stone Article: It's okay to question an accusation

(CNN) -- Pundit Glenn Reynolds recently wrote: "So as I understand it, Atticus Finch is now the bad guy in "To Kill A Mockingbird," because he doubted a story about rape." How right he was.

A story with a rape allegation carries an immediate electric charge. In Jim Crow's South, lynchings often came with a story of the victim having raped a white girl. With the energy of such a story, it wasn't too hard to whip up a fury strong enough to leave a man hanging from a tree. The "rape propaganda" was necessary to garner the emotions necessary to press the real, dark, agenda.

Al Sharpton took a page out of the old South's playbook and brought us Tawana Brawley, who accused six white men of raping her. The story of white on black crime resonated, and it helped to promote a social justice agenda, but Tawana Brawley was no more a rape victim than two white women in Scottsboro, Alabama, who falsely accused nine black teenagers more than 80 years ago.

What do these stories have in common? Someone had an agenda, and they knew that a rape story would put it on a rocket powered toboggan.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/opinion/randazza-uva-rape-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


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A counterpoint to the Rolling Stone Article: It's okay to question an accusation (Original Post) NaturalHigh Dec 2014 OP
2 words...Duke Lacrosse Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #1
Yep. It probably won't be long before someone posts... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #2
Tragic case. Although someone pointed out yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #9
She Recursion Dec 2014 #10
I knew there was a settlement... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #11
Don't forget jamzrockz Dec 2014 #14
No, it's not. alarimer Dec 2014 #3
Well, I'm pretty sure that all ALLEGED perpetrators get the chance to tell their stories. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #4
all kinds of people do before they rush into print accusing people of crimes dsc Dec 2014 #5
Are you fucking kidding me? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #6
If they're identified by the victim? All the time (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #7
Disagree. closeupready Dec 2014 #8
Glenn Reynolds sticking up for accused criminals? Fumesucker Dec 2014 #12
Congrats you were reported Kurska Dec 2014 #13
Seriously? For posting a CNN piece? NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #15
There are a few here who believe it should be against the rules to question an accuser davidn3600 Dec 2014 #16
I know. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #19
Of course it is. This idiocy that sexual assault is different and can't be verified before acting Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #17
Thank you for that thoughtful reply. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #18
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. Tragic case. Although someone pointed out
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:38 AM
Dec 2014

Today that each received 20 million. I guess it is ok then....Ugh! I think the Univerity of Virginia President needs to apologize to the student body and especially fraternities for the libel he spouted off on the whole university. I think the President should be fired too. He escalated the thing without facts from an article from Rolling Stone an entertainment gossip magazine.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
11. I knew there was a settlement...
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
Dec 2014

but I never heard an amount. Crystal Mangum should have gotten serious jail time for that. Maybe she wouldn't have killed a future boyfriend. Mike Nifong got off easy too.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
14. Don't forget
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:00 AM
Dec 2014

Brian Banks, a man who actually served time in prison (5 years) and only got exonerated because a PI was able to get the false accuser to tell the truth and recant her story. If not for that he would be rotting in jail now.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
3. No, it's not.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:07 AM
Dec 2014

RS did not do their legwork. WHO FUCKING INTERVIEWS PERPETRATORS OF ANY OTHER FUCKING CRIME?

Blame the writer and editors.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
4. Well, I'm pretty sure that all ALLEGED perpetrators get the chance to tell their stories.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:10 AM
Dec 2014

I least I hope that's the way it works.

What about that whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Should we get rid of that too?

As for the title of your reply, allow me to respond: Yes, it is.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. all kinds of people do before they rush into print accusing people of crimes
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:19 AM
Dec 2014

even celebrities have won cases where publications claimed a celebrity did something when they didn't and the publication hadn't even bothered to ask the celebrity. It was irresponsible in the extreme to publish that story without checking it out. And yes, that would include asking the fraternities involved for comment.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
6. Are you fucking kidding me?
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:27 AM
Dec 2014

An accusation can't be questioned? The accused is really the guilty when an accusation is laid?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. Glenn Reynolds sticking up for accused criminals?
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 05:37 AM
Dec 2014

That's certainly not his usual schtick.



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BUT IT’S IN SERVICE OF A PROGRESSIVE POLITICAL CAUSE, SO IT’S OKAY: Michael Brown Protesters Have Shut Down More Traffic Than Chris Christie.
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Posted at 11:03 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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FORTUNATELY, IT’S GOTTEN MUCH EASIER TO CARRY A GUN: Gallup: In U.S., 37% Do Not Feel Safe Walking at Night Near Home.
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Posted at 10:07 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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HOW’S THAT HOPEY-CHANGEY STUFF WORKIN’ OUT FOR YA? (CONT’D): U.S. Birthrate Declines for Sixth Consecutive Year; Economy Could Be Factor. Huh. What happend six years ago that could have reduced people’s faith in the future?
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Posted at 8:01 pm by Glenn Reynolds

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
13. Congrats you were reported
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:16 AM
Dec 2014

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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
16. There are a few here who believe it should be against the rules to question an accuser
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:03 AM
Dec 2014

They say that because only a small number of rape allegations are false, that false allegations is not worthy of discussion. And that it's acceptable to assume all allegations are true until proven false.

Even saying an accused rapist is "innocent until proven guilty" will draw an alert from these people.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
17. Of course it is. This idiocy that sexual assault is different and can't be verified before acting
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014

is just that- idiocy.

And I say that as both a victim of sexual assault myself and as someone who has had to investigate and act, and make arrests on sexual assault cases in an official capacity. And I have been told some very convincing accounts of sexual assault only to find out the accused had an airtight alibi.

It's the basic responsibility of anyone acting on a claim of sexual assault, just like for any other crime, to do their due dilligence and verify to the best of your ability the veracity of the claims before taking action- be that action a published article, an expulsion from a school, or an arrest.

People claim that it's "too serious" or "too sensitive" to do that, and they are full of shit. The more serious and sensitive something is the MORE responsibility anyone acting on it has to ensure they are acting on reliable information.

To do otherwise... Well you end up with crap like Duke Lacrosse and Rolling Stone that hurt legitimate claims, and you create a system where more attention seeking fakers see sexual assault as a "safe" bogus claim to make and draw more in, making the problem worse, and the cycle continues.

Now, that said, must we be sensitive about how we deal with victims and go about investigating and verifying? Of course. Sexual assault isn't an auto theft or a bar fight and you have to make sure that you don't further harm the victim. But thag can be done while still exercising due dilligence in ensuring they are being truthful.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
18. Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 08:10 PM
Dec 2014

I hope I've never given anyone the impression that I think these cases should not be taken seriously. To believe them beyond doubt without evidence, however, will do more harm than good.

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