And the conservative faction of this board thinks that is just dandy. American's don't deserve to know what crimes were done in OUR name.

One might think, that a dose of honesty and accountability might actually help.

Never mind.

has admitted to it.
Glad to know you could care less if Americans die just so you can view a report that has been 5 years in the making. I guess you're not concerned with the Iran deal either.

You're talking nonsense. Quit hiding behind "American's dying", not only is it terrible logic, it's distasteful.

deal. Besides, it's not like all the other countries have released a report on their torture activity and its our turn. One thing that will come from this is a lot of bad press for the US when most countries are doing the same thing. It won't be viewed in that light, though.

They know it, their loved ones know it, only the American people are ignorant of it.

how many times over the last 5 years? There have been plenty of news reports on the alleged and then confirmed torture at Guantanamo. Americans are well aware of it. lk

Everyone is doing it and everyone knows about it....Why not release it? What are you scared of? Some of your heroes might come out looking a little dirty?

Did people die when Obama admitted that "we tortured some folks"? By YOUR logic they should have.



Good job breaking out the old "everyone else is doing it" argument. When all else fails, debate like an 8 year old.

I find it to be both shocking and bizarre that you make such an assumption.

Our criminal activity is widely known (Bush and co. made quite a splash) as indeed are the criminal antics of various tyrants in the world which in many cases are even worse, but I thought it was well established that civilized countries do not commit torture. Hence our moral imperative a few years back to stop doing so.

Why do you believe such a thing? Do you know any facts that I am simply unaware of? Or is this belief a defense mechanism meant to assuage the guilt you feel for supporting the continued sweeping under the rug of heinous acts and the sheltering of war criminals and torturers by telling yourself everybody is doing it?

Makes one think things that defy all logic.

Water boarding, inducing hypothermia, testing experimental drugs, smearing inmates with menstral blood, beatings, force feeding and even bringing in children has been known for years.

We've all heard the stories from whistle blowers, reporters and guards.

Just release the damn thing and get it over with.

I hope Senator Udall reads the report into the Congressional Record and those assholes involved in this atrocity are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

would be them being prosecuted.

Cover up. No.

Torture...no, just fucking really fucking no.


conservadem...there is an oxymoron.

It's hard to say without knowing what Kerry knows. That being said, I don't trust Kerry. He has proven himself a tool.

and we should, for once, try to keep our eye on the ball.
or the pea. whatever it is.

...holding cops accountable for murder.

this excuse can be used in perpetuity. There will NEVER be a "good time," to release the torture report. The criminals and their cohort coverup cleanup men are running out the clock.

Who is the sick maniac sadist that decided to smear America forever by introducing torture? I want to know who suggested it, who ran the program and how long we have to live under the tyranny of evil men.

This is no longer the country I was raised in...disgusting!

afraid the righteous fury of the American people, slow to awaken but once awoke unquenchable, will ignite.

If, for example, the report documents that American military personnel or intelligence assets (or mercenaries in the U.S. employ) were sodomizing Iraqi children in front of their parents in order to compel parents to inform on the Iraqi resistance, do you think that revelation might be enough to arouse the vast majority of working-class Americans from their moral torpor?

These patriots must be protected not only from laws that would unjustly imprison them, but from getting their feelings hurt by the mean population that does not understand what heroic action looks and sounds like when expressed in the screams of small children being raped. Luckily, the President and his SOS understand their plight and are glad to aid and protect them after the fact.

when the shit initially hit the fan that Sen. Lindsey Graham had looked at some of the photos and video that wasn't released and he was visibly shaken. That tells you there is some seriously dreadful shit in there.

The fallacy of course is assuming that people in the Middle East (and the developing world) aren't already well aware of exactly what transpired in the Gulag Americanus. As one example, there were apocryphal stories out there in 2004-06 that women detained in Abu Ghraib were smuggling messages out to the Iraqi resistance begging for the female wing to be mortared because Americans (intelligence and mercenaries, mixed in with military) had brought those women such indelible shame. Now that is some seriously fucked-up shit.

and other western hostages are being killed by their captors anyway. Their argument holds no weight. What gets hostages killed is our behavior in the Middle East and absurd belief that you can achieve a victory in the "War on Terror" which has about as much chance of success as our "War on Drugs."