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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:19 PM Dec 2014

Question about police violence, Black citizens, and President Obama

Question: How much do you think the dramatic rise in police violence, especially against Black people, has something to do with America's latent racism that has been brought roaring out of its cave by the fact of a Black president? I'm not thinking that's the whole answer, of course - we were a racist nation before January 2009 - but it seems as if it's gone into hyperdrive since then.

Seems pretty straightforward to me, but it also seems like the elephant in the room no one is talking about. Thoughts?

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
1. I personally believe there is some connection between the two...
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:21 PM
Dec 2014

I can go into detail at a later time...

We've also kicked around the idea (a little) in the Afr'Am forum...

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
2. There's a lot of hate talk going on in this country
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:22 PM
Dec 2014

and it focuses on the President. I think it is emboldening people to hate more openly.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. some of us should probably monitor what the propagandists on the right are saying..
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:24 PM
Dec 2014

....these days. A number of police officers obviously fear black men and must kill them to avoid their own victimization. Where is that fear coming from?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
4. I believe his election set our racists off.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:29 PM
Dec 2014

There are many mediocre people in this nation that have only one thing going for them - being white. Seeing him rise to such high levels lead to two things; a realization that they have been deceived, white people aren't inherently better that black people and feeling of having been ripped off. That can cause a lot of anger.
In some people's mind it is a competition between black and white. They do not like to see us gain because to them that means they lost.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. No doubt
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

As you said, not all of it by any means. But when the more vocal racists started shouting when President Obama was elected, the more comfortable those quiet racists became in being vocal.

I think that social media is the biggest reason we see it more now. As time goes by and more and more people use the bigger sites, the more some are aware of something we hoped was fading.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
6. Little doubt in my mind that a black President ...
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:59 PM
Dec 2014

forced most racists out of the closet.

Soon they won't bother trying to hide their dog whistles.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Has there been a dramatic rise in police violence? Has there been even a non-dramatic rise?
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:14 PM
Dec 2014


I have no idea how much violence
1. Is happening now (departments won't tell us)
2. Happened in the past (departments also won't tell us)

madville

(7,412 posts)
12. I think it's getting more attention
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:23 PM
Dec 2014

Whether it's on the rise or not is debatable though. We are definitely being exposed to more of it through people videoing encounters and social media.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
10. events do not happen in a vacuum
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:12 PM
Dec 2014

...of course it is a result of the overt (and not so) racism come to the surface

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. Unfortunately I think it has a lot to do with the way he is treated. There is a whole sector of hate
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:41 PM
Dec 2014

mongers who think they are fighting for their culture when in fact they are destroying our entire country. And while much of it can be connected to the KKK and such groups much of it can also be laid at the feet of ordinary people who accepted the "welfare queen" lies of raygun and his followers and think it is true, especially regarding people of color.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
14. My thought is that is is abysmally sad that
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:20 PM
Dec 2014

what I fully expected did not happen:
I thought that exposure to a black man, and then one with the most powerful job, would de-sensitize people to color. I felt certain that regular visual visits with our President makes them recognize the sameness of our humanity. I was sure that the color of his skin after a while would be unnoticed and would help us move out of being a country where the color of one's skin already determines how one is classified and labeled upon entering a room.

Dammit. It did not work out that way at all. Racism began to bubble like in a cauldron.The unjust incidents are putting a fire under it in good ways and bad ways.
Just like with all social change for the better the unrest is part of it, so as long as it is peaceful I participate and support it.

One day, President Obama had been on Martha's Vineyard for one of his short and well deserved breaks.
I walked by my TV and he was speaking. I said out loud: "Hey man, nice tan". And then collapsed laughing.

That's what I would have wished for the country. And eventually, slowly, it will come.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
15. Are more black people getting killed by the police, or is it just getting better coverage?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:24 PM
Dec 2014

I honestly don't know.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
16. Question about your premise(s): has there been a 'dramatic rise in police violence' since 2009? From
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:36 PM
Dec 2014

my reading and talking with black friends, police violence against people of color has been a long-standing given.

Not saying you're wrong, but I wonder whether there's just increased visibility for a brutality that has never gone away.

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