A peek at the man behind the curtain and the depths they will go to hide what they are actually doing is quite sobering, isn't it?

K&R!

Good stuff!

Kidding, thanks!

why that particular talking point is supposed to be an insult.

Good for you.

So true - I'm going to my grave with my convictions

And when HRC is president the critics will also be misogynists, and probably rape apologists - maybe even rapists themselves!

It will be our fault...because we were purists.

In exchange for leaving your principles at the door, we have a free gift for you.

1 he would have revealed all he had

2 he would have stayed and faced any consequences

Holding things back put him in the fame-seeking category. If his revelations were so absolutely necessary and -vital- to democracy he wouldnt have held anything back. But he did. Fail on altruism

he also would have stayed. Hard to be an icon or effective player when you are in exile.

Dont be fooled into thinking that hailing snowden as a hero is dependent on your views of spying, which your post pretty much says.

yes, everybody already suspected what he revealed. Yes it is inappropriate. But yes he is also a criminal.

my post.

(I really know where you're coming from, and could dissect this line for line, but is there any point?)

That talking point, thanks for proving the point of the OP btw, is intended to pretend that Whistle Blowers have any rights here in the US and/or protections.

The truth is, and I believe a majority of people know this, Whistle Blowers will NOT be heard at all if they 'go through the channels'.

Eg, Drake and Binney. We hardly heard OF them let alone the devastating information they wanted the public to know.

See what Drake has to say about 'going through the normal channels. Sorry but your opinion V the EXPERIENCES of actual Patriotic Whistle Blowers (and airc, ironically, back when Drake and Binney tried to get information on the NSA spying to the people, DEMS THOUGHT THEY WERE HEROES NOT CRIMINALS) isn't very important.

So Snowden learned from all those other Whistle Blowers that in order to get that information to the people who were entitled to it, he had to remain out of the hands of the US Government, see Chelsea Manning also.

Good for him for being smart enough to do it in a way that was guaranteed to prevent them from silencing him.

Manning should have done the same thing and most Whistle Blowers from now on will most likely do so also.

Those nasty 'fame-seekers' willing to give up their lives just to be 'famous'l.

I have to say that particular talking point (who thinks this stuffs up btw) was the most ridiculous of all.

A whistle-blower that understood (to a degree) the consequences of playing with fire!

He clearly understood that he had 2 options:

1. Go to jail do not pass go.
2. Grab any get out of jail card that was offered.

He has big huge brass balls and ratting on government little by little ensures at least some take notice as had he just dumped a huge mess on the floor it would have been over and done with rapidly .. just like journalists that offer info over a period of time to keep the reader interested.

Kudos to Snowden as in the same position I doubt I would have taken that plunge and ended my life living.

We heard that stupidity from John Kerry, Melissa Harris-Perry and many others. As if Snowden was morally required to risk decades in prison for having done the right thing. Another dumb talking point that we got from both Obama and Hillary Clinton is that Obama had already called for a national discussion on NSA surveillance prior to Snowden's revelations. The only problem with that one is that he hadn't called for any such national discussion.

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remaining true to your ideals.

The argument is over the ideals. You are simply stating that you are better and more idealistic and more pure than people who think Eddie should have followed the law. You're the one judging us as well.

I can think of a few other people who should have followed the law. And one huge agency that should have followed the ultimate law of the land (that constitution thingy).

Snowden is like the random citizen who is technically guilty of assault for subduing an armed bank robber. The random citizen didnt hurt anyone but the robber, so the robber turns around and sues the random citizen for injury incurred during the failed robbery.

I trust you can figure out who the armed robber is in this analogy.

could you please cite one of your relevant posts prior to this epiphany?

Thanks.

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to illustrate your list!

Excellent post.