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Hanukkah gift wrap at Walgreens has swastikas on it (Original Post) gollygee Dec 2014 OP
I doubt it was intentional - the swastika and symbols like it are very ancient. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #1
It looks like a Grecian Key variant Retrograde Dec 2014 #11
Yes, it looks like a Grecian key pattern. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #12
It really does Warpy Dec 2014 #59
Looks like a 'Greek Key'... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #31
That's what I see sakabatou Dec 2014 #46
I agree. mfcorey1 Dec 2014 #43
I agree. It is an ancient design used in many cultures. pnwmom Dec 2014 #56
. Rex Dec 2014 #2
I'm aware of that gollygee Dec 2014 #3
Do the people that make the wrapping paper have any idea who buys it? Rex Dec 2014 #6
Yeah, because some guy at a Chinese wrapping paper factory is likely to be aware of other cultures.. jberryhill Dec 2014 #60
Yeah because the person in the factory is the one who designs it. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #61
Have you ever been to China? jberryhill Dec 2014 #62
People spraypaint swastikas all over my neighborhood. Recursion Dec 2014 #18
I thought it strange to see red neon crosses at night all over South Korea. Rex Dec 2014 #19
Oh for fuck's sake, this is some BS faux outrage. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #4
Tempest, teapot tkmorris Dec 2014 #5
I've always preferred... Rod Beauvex Dec 2014 #28
Someone needs to check their geometry. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #7
It is a bit of a stretch gollygee Dec 2014 #8
Good catch on the mirror image. Poor photo. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #9
There's one in either direction Recursion Dec 2014 #16
I think the hand in the pic Segami Dec 2014 #10
I think I see a swastiska in some of the lines on her hand. n/t benz380 Dec 2014 #47
You see what you're looking for. NightWatcher Dec 2014 #13
I mean, it's in the design's negative space, and it's not distinct Recursion Dec 2014 #14
As a graphic designer, it sucks that the Nazis ruined that pattern. Throd Dec 2014 #15
I don't see a swastika bigwillq Dec 2014 #17
I know swastikas very well, and so far I have not seen one nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #20
I too know swastikas very well, and I can easily see it. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #34
ok now I see it, my bad nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #35
Thank you. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #37
I understand, I do steve2470 Dec 2014 #39
And that is why I thanked you. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #41
... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #57
Ah, now I see it leftynyc Dec 2014 #38
Took me a bit to see it Marrah_G Dec 2014 #44
thats a stretch olddots Dec 2014 #21
Not seeing it.. truebrit71 Dec 2014 #22
wouldn't have noticed the swastika Terra Alta Dec 2014 #23
one reason i think it could be intentional is that it's marketed for Hanukkah JI7 Dec 2014 #24
I think it would be good practice for anything specifically marketed to Jewish morningfog Dec 2014 #25
Probably unintentional, but Albertoo Dec 2014 #26
I just love the sensitivity of some when it comes to Jewish things. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #27
would not have noticed in passing oldandhappy Dec 2014 #29
For Hannukah? merrily Dec 2014 #33
I can imagine it being on purpose. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #30
I don't care what it is. At the very best, it's incredibly mindless. merrily Dec 2014 #32
Looks like a Greek key pattern to me leftynyc Dec 2014 #36
It well may be. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #40
I couldn't get that picture to link right gollygee Dec 2014 #45
Looks like a "Greek key" design. Up to Jews to decide if they want to buy it or not... Hekate Dec 2014 #42
Greek Key or Not, I Can't Imagine any Jewish Person MineralMan Dec 2014 #48
She did Nazi that coming KamaAina Dec 2014 #49
Followup: Hallmark sold the paper and it wasn't specifically for Hanukkah... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #50
Good to know. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #53
I think lancer78 Dec 2014 #51
I would not use that wrapping for a Chanukah gift. I see the swastika, and I really don't MADem Dec 2014 #52
An extremely bad and unfortunate choice. That said in this case I doubt it was done intentionally. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #54
Use it to wrap your baby doll that says "Islam is the Light" Scootaloo Dec 2014 #55
Oooooh now I see 'em. Right under the thumb -- 2 little ones, side by side. ucrdem Dec 2014 #58
Is this like a Magic Eye image? Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #63

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
1. I doubt it was intentional - the swastika and symbols like it are very ancient.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014

This looks more like a Greek design of some kind. Still, someone probably should have considered the similarity to the Nazi symbol and not used it on Hanukkah gift wrap. Just dumb, probably, and not malicious.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
11. It looks like a Grecian Key variant
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:02 PM
Dec 2014

an old, old pattern commonly used in building decorations. Is this the only pattern Walmart offers?

My first reaction was, why does this paper have a printed circuit schematic?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
12. Yes, it looks like a Grecian key pattern.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:05 PM
Dec 2014

A printed circuit schematic might make sort of neat wrapping paper.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
59. It really does
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:28 AM
Dec 2014

The bent cross/swastika motif is an ancient one, appearing on buildings and pottery every since such things were made. It's highly unlikely this was intentional and even if it was, you have to look hard to find it and divorce it from the rest of the pattern.

Somebody is trying really, really hard to find things to be offended by in this case. Walgreen's needs to tell them to go jump in a lake.

Nobody was trying to be sneaky and nobody at Walgreen's in charge of buying wrapping paper is an overt Jew basher.

This whole business is overreaching.

People who go around sniffing for shit where none exists will also find something to complain about with printed circuit paper, like eliminating half the design and coming up with FUCK.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
56. I agree. It is an ancient design used in many cultures.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:59 AM
Dec 2014

Someone goofed, though, in this context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

The swastika (also known as the gammadion cross or cross cramponnée) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees (as a Chinese character: 卐 or 卍 .[1][2] It is considered to be a very sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.[3]

It appears as a decorative element in various cultures since at least the Neolithic, and is mostly known as a symbol in Indian religions, denoting "auspiciousness", adopted as such in pre-WWI-Europe and later, and most notably, by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany. Because of its use in Nazism, in many Western countries the swastika is stigmatized,[4] while it remains commonly used as a religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism.[3]

The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit svastika "lucky or auspicious object". The older term gammadion cross derives mainly from its appearance, which is identical to four Greek gamma letters affixed to each other.

SNIP

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. .
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:32 PM
Dec 2014

The swastika (also known as the gammadion cross or cross cramponnée) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees as a Chinese character: 卐 or 卍. It is considered to be a very sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
3. I'm aware of that
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:37 PM
Dec 2014

However it would be in very bad taste to intentionally put it on Hanukkah gift wrap regardless of other ways that symbol has been used, and I still think it was probably a mistake, and someone still needed better quality control.

I don't honestly understand why people always put that information in threads about swastikas. It's irrelevant how else the swastika has been historically used in this case. This is wrapping paper for a Jewish holiday.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Do the people that make the wrapping paper have any idea who buys it?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:45 PM
Dec 2014

Is so then yeah I would wonder, if not then maybe they intentionally did or not. You would have to investigate further imo.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
60. Yeah, because some guy at a Chinese wrapping paper factory is likely to be aware of other cultures..
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:19 AM
Dec 2014

not

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
62. Have you ever been to China?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:42 AM
Dec 2014

They crank out all kinds of things with complete obliviousness.







That's the level of awareness we're talking about here.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. People spraypaint swastikas all over my neighborhood.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:10 PM
Dec 2014

(I'm in a block full of abandoned mills, about half of which have been unofficially opened to street artists, along with most of the walls along the main street.)

Though, interestingly, there's an old Jewish cemetery nearby, and the street artists leave the swastikas off that (though they'll still do murals on its front wall). Which is pretty classy of them if you ask me, since the Hindus had nothing to do with their symbol getting appropriated by the Nazis.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. I thought it strange to see red neon crosses at night all over South Korea.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:29 PM
Dec 2014

I always think about intent, if someone found out that wrapping paper company was owned in South Carolina by a white extremest, probably yes would be the answer.

I can also see why it is offense around this time of year and was taken that way even if unintentionally. It could be argued that Target the corporation disrespects the United Kingdom by using the Royal Air Force Roundel. Is the Porsche logo an insult to King William and the Weimar Republic?


ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
7. Someone needs to check their geometry.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:54 PM
Dec 2014

First, to say this is a swastika is a stretch.

Second, if a swastika, this is a left swastika; the Nazis used a right swastika.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. It is a bit of a stretch
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
Dec 2014

because it's a segment of a larger pattern.

But it looks like it half go one way and half go the other to me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. There's one in either direction
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:07 PM
Dec 2014

The pattern is mirrored. But, yeah, I have trouble seeing this as anything intentional or problematic.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
10. I think the hand in the pic
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:01 PM
Dec 2014

needs more attention with some hand cream than the crypto-gift wrap swastikas........

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. You see what you're looking for.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:06 PM
Dec 2014

It's just like how those hyper religious people claim to see Jesus or Mary in every tortilla chip, Cheeto, or potato chip they see.

It's a rohrshack test (sp).

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. I mean, it's in the design's negative space, and it's not distinct
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:06 PM
Dec 2014

The ends of the arms don't stop, they just keep going.

Plus they have right- and left-handed versions in the design (it's symmetrical), and the difference between those two is very important, I have trouble thinking this was intentional.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
15. As a graphic designer, it sucks that the Nazis ruined that pattern.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:06 PM
Dec 2014

The swastika is a great way to transition overlapping/inersecting lines in interesting ways, but due to the loaded symbolism, I almost never use it.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
37. Thank you.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:53 AM
Dec 2014

I mean that sincerely! After reading your heartfelt post in the AA group, I was a bit stung by your post. I probably shouldn't have attached such meaning to your post, but as a minority here, I know what it is to be mocked, ridiculed, and chastised (for seeing "what isn't really there&quot by those who call themselves liberal, progressive, etc. If this were run-of-the-mill wrapping paper, I would still see it, but not think much about it; but something specially marketed for a Jewish holiday. well, I saw it.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
39. I understand, I do
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:56 AM
Dec 2014

I do my best to be sensitive, but, alas.... sometimes I am blind.

All the best to you and your family!

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
41. And that is why I thanked you.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:59 AM
Dec 2014

When we aren't a part of a certain culture, we can easily be blind; sometimes, even if we are part of the affected culture. Is this a deliberate "error"? I have no way of knowing. But, I sure as hell wouldn't wrap any of my Channukah gifts in it!

Best to you and yours as well!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. Ah, now I see it
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:53 AM
Dec 2014

Looked like a Greek key pattern to me before you posted this close up. No idea if it was on purpose although I suspect they'll pull it to be on the safe side.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
44. Took me a bit to see it
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:59 AM
Dec 2014

I agree it should be removed. I also think that it probably was not done on purpose.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
25. I think it would be good practice for anything specifically marketed to Jewish
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:16 AM
Dec 2014

celebrations or occurrences be vetted for Nazi imagery and symbolism. It wouldn't take much to just screen it for such at some point before it goes to market, catch anything inadvertent or nefarious.

If this were not marketed for Hanukkah, I wouldn't think twice about it.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
26. Probably unintentional, but
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:24 AM
Dec 2014

it's true the coincidence with Hannukah makes it awkward and unfortunate.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
27. I just love the sensitivity of some when it comes to Jewish things.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:28 AM
Dec 2014

I don't know the entire story; I doubt anyone does, but to dismiss, out of hand, that this isn't a possible slam is why "soft racism" can flourish. Yes, we all know the swastika can and does have religious significance in other cultures, but we also know it is used to remind Jews (and others) of "our place" in the world. If this were random gift wrapping, I wouldn't think much about it. If, as claimed, it was marketed as Chanukah wrapping paper, then my suspicions are roused. Why is it to some, Jews aren't ever the victims of a conspiracy, just the ones always behind them?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
29. would not have noticed in passing
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:38 AM
Dec 2014

See it now because I was looking for it. Probably no one noticed during the production. It is beautiful paper. Do you think we will ever be able to use a pattern such as the one in the post without having to edit? Seems a shame to let the Nazis control us that way. Reclaim art!!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
30. I can imagine it being on purpose.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:06 AM
Dec 2014

It may not be by the company, but someone in their graphics department. There are a lot of people in the world who hate Jewish people, unfortunately. They should recall this wrapping paper, find out who let it happen and/or made it happen, fire their ass for it, and issue an apology.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. I don't care what it is. At the very best, it's incredibly mindless.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:52 AM
Dec 2014

I have seen many Greek keys that don't have an embedded swastika.

And, though this is the least of it, what does a Greek key have to do with Hanukkah anyway?

In terms of religion, I associate Greeks with two things, the Greek Orthodox Church and the language in which a lot of early finds of the New Testament was written. What happened to menorahs, oil lamps, Torahs, etc. And if they had to go to a particular nation, how about symbols of Israel, ancient Israel or modern Israel?

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
40. It well may be.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:56 AM
Dec 2014

The one thing to remember about Greek Key designs is they are almost always a singular pattern (line) (see the above example). This is a clearer version, which is at the actual site, as opposed to the picture used in the OP:



ETA: LOL! Ooops...seems you saw my other post. Spinning like a dreidel here! LOL!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
45. I couldn't get that picture to link right
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:25 AM
Dec 2014

so I searched for another so people could see it.

It does look clearer in that one, although that also makes it look like this pattern is much larger than it is.

I hope it's unintentional because I hate to think so poorly of humanity, but I can also see the possibility of someone thinking this was a clever way to sneak in some hate.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
42. Looks like a "Greek key" design. Up to Jews to decide if they want to buy it or not...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:09 AM
Dec 2014

....to use for Hannukkah gifts.

MineralMan

(146,298 posts)
48. Greek Key or Not, I Can't Imagine any Jewish Person
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:30 AM
Dec 2014

buying this paper. There are many other border designs that could have been used. Why pick this one?

Huge faux pas on the part of the designer, or a deliberate anti-semitic choice. Either way, it sucks.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
50. Followup: Hallmark sold the paper and it wasn't specifically for Hanukkah...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:34 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article4374435.html

...
Elliott said the gift wrap was created based on a design in the Hallmark archives that itself was based on an old Chinese vase. In some cultures, the interlocking lines were a symbol of good luck and prosperity, but it fell into mass disfavor after the Nazi regime used it.

Hallmark has licensed the design in different colors, and it was not intended to be gift wrap for Hannukah, Elliott said. She said it appeared that the Walgreen’s store in Northridge, Calif., where the woman complained, had put two rolls in its Hannukah display because of its blue and silver colors.

Photo from Hallmark showing original pattern:
https://in.finance.yahoo.com/photos/photo-provided-hallmark-cards-inc-example-pattern-used-photo-182025004.html

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
53. Good to know.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:44 AM
Dec 2014

It was, as many thought, an oversight/accident. Hopefully, people will learn from it, but I doubt it.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
51. I think
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:39 AM
Dec 2014

the design was probably thought up by some 20 y/o kid in India who wanted to add an article of his faith. The arms are pointing counter -clockwise while the Nazi swastika has the arms going clockwise.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. I would not use that wrapping for a Chanukah gift. I see the swastika, and I really don't
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:42 AM
Dec 2014

care if half of them facing the wrong way or it's part of a "Greek key" or what have you.

I think Walgreen's need to have a massive bonfire and just get rid of that wrapping paper. How about replacing it with something simple with a Star of David motif?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. An extremely bad and unfortunate choice. That said in this case I doubt it was done intentionally.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

I remember my Grandparents- the Jewish ones, mind you- had a similar pattern on a couch. Being a highly observant - in the paying attention sense, not the religious one- young lad, I distinctly remember more than once being, like, "uh...guys?"

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
55. Use it to wrap your baby doll that says "Islam is the Light"
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:52 AM
Dec 2014




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