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alp227

(32,021 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:32 AM Dec 2014

SF Chron columnist: Violent protesters = "black bloc"

They’ve been operating in the Bay Area for quite some time. It doesn’t matter to them what the demonstration is about. They’re just looking for cover so they can vandalize, destroy, attack and loot.

We first saw them here — the so-called black bloc — during the Iraq War protests of 2003. A splinter group dressed in black — covering their faces — would break off from the mostly peaceful demonstrators and begin destroying property — lighting fires, spray-painting graffiti, breaking windows. We saw the same violent actions from splinter groups during the Oscar Grant protests in Oakland — and then the Occupy Oakland protests in 2011. The tactics divided the Occupy Oaklanders, many of whom objected to the destruction of property.

Now, they’re hijacking the latest demonstrations in Oakland, San Francisco and Berkeley.

The same groups who came to wreak havoc in Oakland last week have shifted their actions to Berkeley in the last few days. Apparently, the decision by Berkeley police to use tear gas to disperse the crowd has been taken as a challenge.


So no, if Chip Johnson can write about this in the Chron, "black blocs" are NOT truther/tinfoil hat imaginary beings.
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SF Chron columnist: Violent protesters = "black bloc" (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2014 OP
I agree: "black blocs" are NOT truther/tinfoil hat imaginary beings. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1
They are taking the focus off the real issue and giving ferguson protesters a bad name. I hope the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #2
They're all white, too, near as I can tell....I haven't seen one of color in all the pics I've seen. MADem Dec 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #3
And they're world wide. Brazil, Egypt etc. This article's from 2013 octoberlib Dec 2014 #4
I know that shitheads in black hoodies and balaclavas and gloves MADem Dec 2014 #5
Many of them Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #9
I hear you. I think they're just mean-hearted assholes. MADem Dec 2014 #10
Agents provacateur? [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #7
thats the mythic subtext being memed reddread Dec 2014 #12
Most Black Bloc folks I've encountered strike me as thrillseeking hipsters Maedhros Dec 2014 #14
im sure they work well with others reddread Dec 2014 #15
I don't think the notion is too far-fetched, given that COINTELPRO happened. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #16
or given everything we know about it and other illegal operations reddread Dec 2014 #21
Mercenaries in the hire of the 1%. snot Dec 2014 #8
"It doesn’t matter to them what the demonstration is about." Completely untrue. PoliticalPothead Dec 2014 #11
do you think "anarchists" are represented by the "black block"? reddread Dec 2014 #13
Those people are just plain HappyMe Dec 2014 #17
No, black bloc isn't imaginary, nor is it entirely what people think it is. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #20
Some people just want to watch the world burn n/t War Horse Dec 2014 #19
People who actuallly go to the protests and live in the east bay must have discovered which SF mulsh Dec 2014 #22
Ah yes, dear old Chip. KamaAina Dec 2014 #23

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
2. They are taking the focus off the real issue and giving ferguson protesters a bad name. I hope the
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:51 AM
Dec 2014

Ferguson protesters in Berkely can separate themselves from the Black Bloc.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. They're all white, too, near as I can tell....I haven't seen one of color in all the pics I've seen.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:29 AM
Dec 2014

The actual "Ferguson protesters" are a mix of races and they are focused on the ISSUES--police brutality, the obvious disparity in treatment based on race, the whole "enough is enough" sense that most of us feel.

The black bloc crew are smash-and-grabbers, troublemakers, rabble rousers.

Response to alp227 (Original post)

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
4. And they're world wide. Brazil, Egypt etc. This article's from 2013
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:09 AM
Dec 2014

‘Black Bloc’ anarchists emerging as a force amid unrest in Brazil

Wearing black clothing, scarves and ski masks, so-called “Black Bloc” anarchists have taken a starring role in Brazil’s social unrest, using violent tactics to target symbols of capitalism.

Black-clad anarchists infiltrate protest demonstrations to carry out acts of vandalism against capitalist symbols such as McDonald’s restaurants or banks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/black-bloc-anarchists-emerging-as-a-force-amid-unrest-in-brazil/


“We don’t talk to media but we are black bloc”

In early 2012, when Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges called “black bloc anarchists” the “cancer of the Occupy movement,” his remarks were swiftly condemned by many. First and foremost, critics were swift to point out that “black bloc anarchists”are not a group — the black bloc is a protest tactic, which has often been employed by anarchists, involving the collective donning of unidentifiable black clothing and masks so as to move through the streets as a unified, anonymous mass.

What better proof that there is no one black bloc group or organization than the emergence in recent days of black blocs in Egypt’s protest-filled streets? As the AP reported, “youths with faces hidden under black masks have appeared among stone-throwing protesters in clashes with police around Egypt the past five days in the wave of political violence that has shaken the country. During protests in Cairo on Monday, masked youths celebrated around a police armored vehicle in flames in the middle of Tahrir Square, waving their hands in V-for-victory signs.” http://www.salon.com/2013/01/29/we_dont_talk_to_media_but_we_are_black_bloc/


MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. I know that shitheads in black hoodies and balaclavas and gloves
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:16 AM
Dec 2014

who show up at peaceful demonstrations and start smashing windows aren't "truther/tinfoil hat imaginary beings." This isn't the first time we've seen these little shits, either. They turned Oakland into a complete mess with their violence at City Hall and elsewhere. They need to be arrested, charged, convicted and locked the fuck up. What they do isn't just "vandalism" -- it's far, far worse than that. Had Occupy Oakland repudiated them at the outset, that effort wouldn't have ended so ignominiously.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
9. Many of them
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:08 AM
Dec 2014

were reportedly from out of town, too (from cities ranging from Berkeley and San Jose to Fresno), which begs the question: why do they always have to come here to tear up stuff whenever there is a protest? Tearing up a city that is trying to rebound from its struggles and costing us money.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. I hear you. I think they're just mean-hearted assholes.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:26 AM
Dec 2014

They think they're "cool" but what they are is shitheads.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
12. thats the mythic subtext being memed
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:24 AM
Dec 2014

a thing of beauty to watch these things unfold from nothingness.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
14. Most Black Bloc folks I've encountered strike me as thrillseeking hipsters
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

rather than any kind of committed anarchists.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
15. im sure they work well with others
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014

but the notion that they might be covering for police black-ops?
poppycock and tinfoil they say.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
21. or given everything we know about it and other illegal operations
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:15 PM
Dec 2014

but somehow people wish to conflater bloc'ers as tinfoil conceits instead of admitting
that cops instigate the ugly.

PoliticalPothead

(220 posts)
11. "It doesn’t matter to them what the demonstration is about." Completely untrue.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:36 AM
Dec 2014

Anarchists have been some of the most vocal critics of police brutality and racism, so saying they don't care is just silly. They are simply using a different tactic than the so-called 'non-violent' protesters. In my opinion, their tactics have more of an impact than a bunch of people sitting around holding hands and waiting to be tear gassed.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. No, black bloc isn't imaginary, nor is it entirely what people think it is.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

People know about black bloc from acts of vandalism and violence against police, but the majority of what a black bloc does at protests is defensive; resisting arrest, cutting zip-ties and other binds used to arrest protestors, countermeasures against tear gas, etc.

I know because that's what the black bloc I ran with in Chicago during NoNATO did.

Response to NuclearDem (Reply #18)

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
22. People who actuallly go to the protests and live in the east bay must have discovered which SF
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

cafe Ole Chip works his lap top at and repeatedly explained the tactics and dynamics of the Black Bloc folk. I've seen them in action at protests since the first Gulf War protests when they broke windows with newpaper vending machines in the financial district. they're easy to spot since inorder to assert their anarchistic way they all dress the same way every time. Black Clothing with black kercheifs covering their cowardly faces.

way to go Chip, sometime you should hop on Bart or the NL or F transbay busses and actually make it over here.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
23. Ah yes, dear old Chip.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:31 PM
Dec 2014

He seems to hate everything about the city he lives in and covers for the Bay Area's major daily. Why doresn't he just move to the 'burbs, for crying out loud?

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