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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:51 PM Dec 2014

GW Bush: 'I Call On All Governments To Prohibit - Investigate + Prosecute All Acts of Torture'

CIA Flipped Out Behind The Scenes When Bush Said U.S. Would Ban Torture
Posted: 12/09/2014 2:56 pm EST Updated: 15 minutes ago


WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush marked June 26, 2003, the UN International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, with a strong statement spelling out America's commitment to eliminating the scourge from the earth.


"Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere," he said, adding, "The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture, and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture."



Behind the scenes, however, the agency tasked with carrying out the Bush administration's torture program had no idea what the president was talking about.

The international community and human rights advocates cheered the president's forceful statement. But within the CIA, the statement set off a panicked response about the future of its program of secret prisons and so-called "enhanced interrogation."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/bush-torture_n_6296002.html
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GW Bush: 'I Call On All Governments To Prohibit - Investigate + Prosecute All Acts of Torture' (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
God, these people make my head hurt. louis-t Dec 2014 #1
God, you are correct. Head banging or brain damgage seems to be the endgame with these people mrdmk Dec 2014 #4
Mine too, louis-t. calimary Dec 2014 #16
Oh God. GliderGuider Dec 2014 #2
No kidding. Band's rehearsing. Helps a little. calimary Dec 2014 #17
He and Obama must have the same speech writer n/t nichomachus Dec 2014 #3
Bullcrap. Cha Dec 2014 #26
Can't think of a better discription of W than BFEE. He should be taken to court using his own words jwirr Dec 2014 #5
Bush, please surrender yourself to the justice dept and admit your crime then on point Dec 2014 #6
The article only cites a few people in the CIA who were unhappy. I doubt it was more than that. stevenleser Dec 2014 #7
Well, there you have it. CIA apologist says it was only a few bad apples. Scuba Dec 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Dec 2014 #11
The "info" in question is "I doubt it was more than that." Scuba Dec 2014 #12
Apologizing for torturers now, Steven? Enthusiast Dec 2014 #21
Could it surprise anyone? n/t A Simple Game Dec 2014 #25
See Vattel's #23 nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #31
FBI opposition to toward torture during the Bush years is well-known. It provides no reason to Vattel Dec 2014 #23
Did he try to sell you a bridge too? AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #24
See Vattel's #23 nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #30
Zubaydah was waterboarded in 2002. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #8
All right, Prez, then put our money where your mouth is... KansDem Dec 2014 #9
it's called talking out of both sides of your mouth. spanone Dec 2014 #13
Lying sack of fecal matter! RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #14
Why isn't that whole damn family behind bars yet??? Initech Dec 2014 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #18
Bush always was a doublespeaking Orwellian insect. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #19
I totally agree with Bush . . FairWinds Dec 2014 #20
Yes, but then he thinks waterboarding is not torture. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #22
well he meant azurnoir Dec 2014 #27
Why is Diane Feinstein giving Chimpco cover? aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #28
I would like to see this get a record number of recs ThoughtCriminal Dec 2014 #29
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #32
kick napkinz Dec 2014 #33

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
4. God, you are correct. Head banging or brain damgage seems to be the endgame with these people
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:59 PM
Dec 2014

It is unbelievable what gets these people off...

calimary

(81,265 posts)
16. Mine too, louis-t.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:58 PM
Dec 2014

Wonder if he ever got the irony of that. Nah - he probably never gave it a second thought. Too many destroyed brain cells.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Oh God.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:55 PM
Dec 2014

I'm not keeping it together so well today. Today it hurts just to be a member of the human species.

calimary

(81,265 posts)
17. No kidding. Band's rehearsing. Helps a little.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:01 PM
Dec 2014

Something to take my mind off feeling just incredibly sick-at-heart.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. Can't think of a better discription of W than BFEE. He should be taken to court using his own words
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:59 PM
Dec 2014

against him.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
7. The article only cites a few people in the CIA who were unhappy. I doubt it was more than that.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:03 PM
Dec 2014

From my conversations with FBI folks, including my interview with the head of FBI's anti-bin Laden unit, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lesersense/2013/11/18/interview-with-jack-cloonan-special-agent-in-charge-of-fbis-bin-laden-squad FBI interrogators were flipped out in the other direction, extremely upset that anyone was torturing. Any trained interrogator knows that torture is a failed tactic for getting information. I would bet there was a lot of concern in the CIA about that as well.

Response to Scuba (Reply #10)

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
23. FBI opposition to toward torture during the Bush years is well-known. It provides no reason to
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:10 PM
Dec 2014

suppose that opposition to torture in the CIA was widespread.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
9. All right, Prez, then put our money where your mouth is...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:05 PM
Dec 2014

Time to investigate and prosecute the BFEE.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
14. Lying sack of fecal matter!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:18 PM
Dec 2014

That's what Dubya is!
He, and the rest of the Bush Crime Syndicate should be frog marched, right into jail, and be left to rot there!

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
19. Bush always was a doublespeaking Orwellian insect.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:06 PM
Dec 2014

He used the word "freedom" as promiscuously as other people use the letter e, meanwhile dismantling Western civilization and trying to build a Middle Eastern-style monarchy on its ruins.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
20. I totally agree with Bush . .
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:20 PM
Dec 2014

" I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture."
Starting with him.
And by the way, the US national security elite is no stranger to torture - it was widely used in Vietnam, Latin America, and elsewhere.
Just one more reason to join Veterans For Peace (you need not be a vet to join).
Or else, are you really going to tell your grand kids you did NOTHING to stop US torture?

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
22. Yes, but then he thinks waterboarding is not torture.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:08 PM
Dec 2014

It's not just about banning torture -- it's really about how torture is defined.

So, great, he thinks "Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere" -- but then he redefines torture to not include the stuff he wants to do.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
28. Why is Diane Feinstein giving Chimpco cover?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:57 PM
Dec 2014

This morning she said she was convinced that Bush didn't know the details and that the CIA withheld the facts from him. CIA counsel John Rizzo was just on with Wolf Blitzer and he said it's preposterous to claim that Bush didn't know. He is the one who briefed Cheney and Condi Rice as to all the details about the exact methods to be used. The only thing he didn't brief them on (someone else might have) is all the black sites where torture took place. Why is Feinstein trying to bend the truth on this and give Bush an out?

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