on this program until more than a year and a half after it started.

How is a federal government agency that is apparently exempt from oversight by any of the three branches of government -- even the executive -- consistent with our constitutional structure?

he wasn't really into all the details and things so there already was a sense of distance from president .

They ad the foresight to give him some briefings in illustrations and hand him a 64 pack of Crayolas. That was the only way they could get him to understand a message.

Unfortunately it took 9-11 to realize this.

The Bushes excel at it.

and saw up-close how Nixon hanged himself by being intimately involved with the details whereas Raygun kept his distance from Iran-Contra and survived. Though it's open to question how much King Ronnie was even capable of knowing by that time.

It's a method taken from the Mob - always have distance between yourself and the actions taken with no way to trace it back.

...ass on the briefing paper, then replied, "Allright, you've covered your ass, now....." (you know the rest of it...)

If I was prosecuting, Powell would be my number one immunized witness though.

incompetence.

for me...the fuckers were/are all maliciously lying, I realized without doubt at that moment.

betrayal. I stupidly and foolishly believed him hook, line and sinker believing if he said that, then it must be true. He really should have gotten an Oscar for that performance. The pack of them were a bunch of F'en liars. They turned this country into a bunch of loose cannons, bullies and murderers ... and torturers. I've lost so much respect for a nation I was once proud of.

difficult processing required...when he held that up as "proof" I knew this was a clear and provable lie....surely the media would see that.


I foolishly and stupidly thought the media would do its job and expose the obvious lie thst would unravel all the rest of the lies...how naive of me to not realize the media was in on the plot all along...and still are.

was the final tipping point for me. "Yes, this is bullshit. They're gonna invade no matter what."

mess during the Bush administration, except to say well, we won't let it happen again. Again, there is really no accountability IMO. They made a travesty of the integrity of the US. They have blemished this country forever by doing all of the despicable things this country was NOT supposed to be. And then plead ignorance of what was going on. Just how much BS is acceptable. I am so disgusted with what this country has become and even more disgusted that all is to be just forgotten.

such stress and such patriots. The bullshit runs so damn deep.

majority of Dems to this issue after President BO's election in 2008, as well as that of President Obama himself - in not bringing anyone to account for what many of us already knew - if you truly think that he has a chance in hell of doing anything about it with the GOP in charge of both Houses until 2016, then you are much more of an optimist than I.

now on Chris Hayes as the one person who knew everything that was going on. That means that even GWB wasn't in the loop. What kind of circus were we being subjected to back then? He also testified that Powell had asked him to take out any connections to Saddam for WMD's and then had to put it back in when they lied that one of the tortured detainees had said there were.

Honestly, we really need a war crimes tribunal ASAP.

become.

ALL of our politicos are concerned whether they will be caught up in it.

wilderness---?

He's as guilty as all of them. It was torture and the deaths of over a million on their hands.

although it turned out not to be true.

colon (sic), ass for brains, powell was a willing water carrier who presented the world with cartoons of "mobile labs" to gin up support for a completely bullshit reason for war.

so if they mean "he would have blown his top" that can be translated to meaning, he would have rolled over and said, "rub my belly".

if he had any guts, he would have resigned.

he's as guilty as the rest.

so in summation, powell can go fuck himself.

right up to that pack of lies at the U.N.
To say he would blow his stack is ridiculous.He was part of the plan.

Couldn't tell Powell?

Also I don't believe that Rummy didn't know. They were doing some of this at military facilities with military personnel. Hell Rummy was Dick's mentor. I don't believe that he didn't know anything about it

didn't want Powell to know? The stories don't square.

"Colin Powell -- still the world's most overrated man"

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Torture_Report_And_What_It_Says

And blew his stack. And made it public. Oh, wait...

Fuck Colin Powell.

These fucking people! They should all be in jail.