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underpants

(182,843 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:12 PM Dec 2014

ACLU Calls on Obama to Pardon Bush Officials for Torture

In the run-up to the release of the Senate’s scathing report on CIA interrogation techniques, American Civil Liberties Union Director Anthony Romero called on President Barack Obama to pardon George W. Bush and Bush administration officials for their hand in allowing those techniques. Romero argued that a pardon would establish precedent—torture is a crime that requires a pardon. Without that acknowledgment, he said, there is little legal pressure preventing techniques like those outlined in the Senate report from being used again.

"The spectacle of the president’s granting pardons to torturers still makes my stomach turn," Romero wrote in a New York Times editorial. "But doing so may be the only way to ensure that the American government never tortures again."


http://www.newsweek.com/aclu-calls-obama-pardon-bush-officials-torture-290640

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Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
1. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:15 PM
Dec 2014

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wordpix

(18,652 posts)
10. you need to see him on the Rachel Show tonight - he's FOR prosecution
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:55 PM
Dec 2014

His point is that IF you're not going to prosecute the Criminals, at least label them as such b/c a pardon means the Criminals have done something wrong. It'a a warning to those Criminals Next Time in Power. He is proposing the pardon only IF there's no prosecution.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
14. A pardon is a pardon. It makes any prosecution nothing more than Kabuki theater
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:57 AM
Dec 2014

Prosecution my ass.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. fuck that noise.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:18 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Ok, i see what aclu is trying to get at. Still, the thought of it pisses me off...

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
4. I grow deeply suspicious of the ACLU every day. This newest insult to decency and lawfulness is a
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:21 PM
Dec 2014

bridge too far!






wordpix

(18,652 posts)
12. see RACHEL tonight, please! You can hear from Romero there so you know
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:56 PM
Dec 2014

what's going on. He is FOR Bushco prosecutions

msongs

(67,421 posts)
6. then again dick and W would be labeled as pardoned for all eternity, ever reminding
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:41 PM
Dec 2014

people what they did to need a pardon in the first place

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
13. and guess what, that is just what ACLU is saying - a pardon is given to lawbreakers
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:58 PM
Dec 2014

Now in the case of Jimmy Carter pardoning Vietnam War draft dodgers, I'm all for the pardon if used wisely.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
7. From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Action"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:46 PM
Dec 2014

To: <snip>
Subject: No free pass for torture
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 <snip>


Hi <snip>

If you read my op-ed in the New York Times(1) this morning and were surprised, you’re not alone. Even some of my staff here at the ACLU were confounded – until I had a chance to explain.

In my op-ed about the Senate’s report on post-9/11 torture, I call for the formal pardon of the architects of the CIA’s torture regime. While the ACLU has demanded the prosecution of these criminals for 13 years, the Obama Administration has shown very little political will to appoint a special prosecutor – I wanted to provoke the administration, and shame them into taking action.

If your only option is pardoning the torturers, you know something is terribly wrong. As we all know, impunity for torture is indefensible. We still need the Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor – it’s more important than ever that there is accountability for torture.

For over a decade, the American people have demanded to know about post-9/11 torture conducted in our names. Today, we finally have some answers.

The Senate just released its summary report detailing widespread and illegal CIA torture during the Bush years. Over a hundred people were abused and tortured by the CIA and its contractors, often in secret prisons, set up in countries such as Poland, Romania, and Thailand.

Now that we have additional evidence of the wrongs committed in our name, we must demand accountability. We’re calling on Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to conduct an independent investigation of the torture program.

Will you call upon Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor? We must ensure there is a full criminal investigation of such horrific wrongs.



We have long known that the Bush administration’s torture program was authorized at the highest levels, including the White House, the Department of Justice, the CIA, and the Department of Defense.

We now also know that the CIA misled the public, Congress, and other oversight agencies about the scope and extent of its torture and the significance of the information obtained through torture.

In our system, no one should be above the law or beyond its reach, no matter how senior the official. Although some lower-level military personnel were prosecuted for their roles in the torture program, none of the officials who authorized the use of torture or oversaw its implementation have ever been charged with a crime.

We can’t undo the damage that was done, but we can declare today that it won’t stand unexamined. Urge Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor.


Now that more secrets have finally seen the light of day, it’s time to pursue justice and accountability. As the United States has repeatedly told other nations that commit human rights violations, a nation cannot move forward without accounting for the abuses of the past. Accountability is necessary for our country to regain its damaged moral authority, and to prevent the same wrongs from being committed again.

The Senate torture report makes clear that the torture program violated the Constitution and our criminal laws. This is our opportunity to urge a full criminal investigation of all those responsible for the torture program.

Accountability for torture today is critical for stopping it tomorrow: Sign the petition.


Thank you for taking action,
Anthony for the ACLU Action team

matt819

(10,749 posts)
8. Too academic
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

I sort of understand the reasoning given the lack of political will to prosecute. But I think this report provides thr hook on which to hang a. prosecution.

Also I hope international organizations take actions as well. It's long past time. Let's make it so that these criminals are no longer free to work or travel, etc.

Response to underpants (Original post)

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
15. A pardon would acknowledge that Bush is a war criminal. They will not prosecute him, so
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:11 AM
Dec 2014

I agree with a presidential pardon. The history books would show Bush and Cheney as pardoned war criminals!

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