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Hekate

(90,721 posts) Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:19 PM Dec 2014

Bruce Jessen and James Mitchell. Remember those names.

These are the two psychologists who reverse-engineered the military's "how to survive torture" program that was supposed to help our troops survive being POWs of some rogue barbarous nation.

At the CIA's request they devised the torture program for the CIA after 9-11.

Rachel says they appear under pseudonyms in the big new report, but that they are known by their real names.

Don't forget them.

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Bruce Jessen and James Mitchell. Remember those names. (Original Post) Hekate Dec 2014 OP

They have $81 mil., don't think I will be seeing them. Downwinder Dec 2014 #1

k&r... spanone Dec 2014 #2

James Risen writes quite a bit about them in his book "Pay Any Price". octoberlib Dec 2014 #3

Some people are apparently born without a conscience. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #4

Or heart. SoapBox Dec 2014 #12

Jessen and Mitchell are Two soulless MONSTERS Tsiyu Dec 2014 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Downwinder Dec 2014 #8

George Tenet, Porter Goss and maybe even Michael Hayden cut them checks. KeepItReal Dec 2014 #6

They were also given immunity from any onecaliberal Dec 2014 #7

Where are they now? kentuck Dec 2014 #9

Jessen was in Washington state at last count and Mitchell was in Florida. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #10

They need to be hunted down and tried for their crimes and then, if found guilty, ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #11

Not until they name Names. Volaris Dec 2014 #16

$81 million, they should pay back every fucking dime of it. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #13

You bet, Grammy, you bet. nt Hekate Dec 2014 #14

To those who survived the torture. (n/t) derby378 Dec 2014 #23

Indeed! mountain grammy Dec 2014 #24

They were being mocked on CBS news this evening as incompetent. MADem Dec 2014 #15

So, is CBS minimizing the damage they've done to make us forget their $81M paycheck? Or what? Hekate Dec 2014 #18

CBS has had that GOP slant since they screwed Dan Rather. MADem Dec 2014 #19

They took SERE training and fucked it, royally. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #17

k and r nashville_brook Dec 2014 #20

who are their mic friends? this is worthy of a serious investigation..nt xiamiam Dec 2014 #21

Those smarmy fucks should be drummed out of hifiguy Dec 2014 #22

kick mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2014 #25

Remember their faces. rug Dec 2014 #26

Nuremberg Defense "I was only following orders" - Mitchell interview last April countryjake Dec 2014 #27

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)

1. They have $81 mil., don't think I will be seeing them.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:27 PM

Dec 2014

spanone

(135,847 posts)

2. k&r...

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:28 PM

Dec 2014

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)

3. James Risen writes quite a bit about them in his book "Pay Any Price".

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:31 PM

Dec 2014

Despicable.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)

4. Some people are apparently born without a conscience.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:39 PM

Dec 2014

K&R.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)

12. Or heart.

Reply to bullwinkle428 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:33 AM

Dec 2014

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)

5. Jessen and Mitchell are Two soulless MONSTERS

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:41 PM

Dec 2014

I wish there were ghosts, spectres and terrors that would haunt them the rest of their days.

We would lock them away for life if the CIA didn't pay for this disgusting, sick torture program.

Can you imagine what lives inside the mind of a person who would willingly rip another apart mentally and physically just for some cash?

Mitchell and Jessen are just more sociopaths put in power by the oligarchs who own us all.

I won't forget their names, and for what it's worth, will piss on their graves when those bloody fucks croak off.

WHY ARE JESSEN AND MITCHELL STILL FREE MEN?

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Downwinder This message was self-deleted by its author.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)

6. George Tenet, Porter Goss and maybe even Michael Hayden cut them checks.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:45 PM

Dec 2014

eom

onecaliberal

(32,866 posts)

7. They were also given immunity from any

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:52 PM

Dec 2014

Possible future prosecutions from Bushco.
I'm sure they are somewhere else with new names.
In the real world we call that consciousness of guilt.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)

9. Where are they now?

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:19 AM

Dec 2014

And can they be extradited??

Solly Mack

(90,775 posts)

10. Jessen was in Washington state at last count and Mitchell was in Florida.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:22 AM

Dec 2014

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)

11. They need to be hunted down and tried for their crimes and then, if found guilty,

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:33 AM

Dec 2014

hung like the Japanese were. nt

Volaris

(10,272 posts)

16. Not until they name Names.

Reply to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:40 AM

Dec 2014

I want those fuckers to roll over on their "betters".

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)

13. $81 million, they should pay back every fucking dime of it.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:05 AM

Dec 2014

Hekate

(90,721 posts)

14. You bet, Grammy, you bet. nt

Reply to mountain grammy (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:08 AM

Dec 2014

derby378

(30,252 posts)

23. To those who survived the torture. (n/t)

Reply to mountain grammy (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:26 PM

Dec 2014

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)

24. Indeed!

Reply to derby378 (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:14 PM

Dec 2014

MADem

(135,425 posts)

15. They were being mocked on CBS news this evening as incompetent.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:10 AM

Dec 2014

The network used their actual names. CBS made it a point to emphasize that they didn't know what in hell they were talking about, had no military experience, and didn't know jackshit about the cultures of the Middle East.

And CBS always played ball with BushCo, so that's interesting.

Hekate

(90,721 posts)

18. So, is CBS minimizing the damage they've done to make us forget their $81M paycheck? Or what?

Reply to MADem (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:51 AM

Dec 2014

Bush-Cheney-Rummy were all so good at throwing boatloads of money at incompetent, uncaring contractors. Remember the shrink-wrapped pallets of money? The soldiers who got electrocuted in showers erected by Halliburton, or sickened by the food prepped and served by the same outfit?

The BushCheney legacy lives on and on and on. They had the genuine Reverse Midas Touch: everything they touched turned to shit.

MADem

(135,425 posts)

19. CBS has had that GOP slant since they screwed Dan Rather.

Reply to Hekate (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:04 AM

Dec 2014

I think they were stuffing the CIA under the bus, myself, while finding a way to distance their BushCo buds.

That's just a guess, but that's kind of the vibe I was getting.

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

17. They took SERE training and fucked it, royally. nt

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:46 AM

Dec 2014

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)

20. k and r

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Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:13 PM

Dec 2014

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)

21. who are their mic friends? this is worthy of a serious investigation..nt

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Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:13 PM

Dec 2014

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)

22. Those smarmy fucks should be drummed out of

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:23 PM

Dec 2014

every professional organization there is, lose their licenses and be sued into absolute penury for the rest of their shit-eating lives. They sure as shit are not judgment proof.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)

25. kick

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Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:16 PM

Dec 2014

rug

(82,333 posts)

26. Remember their faces.

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:20 PM

Dec 2014

Bruce Jessen

http://tortureaccountability.org/bruce_jessen

James Mitchell

http://tortureaccountability.org/james_mitchell

countryjake

(8,554 posts)

27. Nuremberg Defense "I was only following orders" - Mitchell interview last April

Reply to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:44 PM

Dec 2014

James Mitchell: 'I'm just a guy who got asked to do something for his country' 18 April 2014 by Jason Leopold
Psychologist who designed CIA's post-9/11 torture program insists he has nothing to apologise for – and attacks 'people with a Jack Bauer mentality who don't understand how intel works'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/james-mitchell-cia-torture-interview

"The narrative that's out there is, I walked up to the gate of the CIA, knocked on the door and said: 'Let me in, I want to torture people, and I can show you how to do it.' Or someone put out an ad on Craigslist that said, 'Wanted: psychologist who is willing to design torture program.' It's a lot more complicated than that," Mitchell told the Guardian in his first public comments since he was linked to the CIA's enhanced interrogation program seven years ago.

"I'm just a guy who got asked to do something for his country by people at the highest level of government, and I did the best that I could."

Mitchell is featured prominently in a new report prepared by the Senate select committee on intelligence, which spent five years and more than $40m studying the CIA's detention and interrogation program.

The findings, according to a summary leaked to McClatchy, are damning: that the agency misled the White House, Congress and the American people; that unauthorised interrogation methods were used; that the legal opinions stating the techniques did not break US torture laws were flawed; and perhaps most significant, that the torture yielded no useful intelligence.

But Mitchell said the program's successes had been deliberately ignored.

More on that same April interview:

CIA torture architect breaks silence to defend 'enhanced interrogation' 18 April 2014 by Jason Leopold
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/cia-torture-architect-enhanced-interrogation

...But Mitchell, who was reported to have personally waterboarded accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, remains unrepentant...

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