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A look at then-CIA Director Michael V. Hayden's testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on April 12, 2007, compared with the extensive summary on the CIA's interrogation and detention program, released on Tuesday
Hygiene
HAYDEN:
Detainees have never been denied the means at a minimum, theyve always had a bucket to dispose of their human waste.
CIA RECORDS:
This testimony is incongruent with CIA records. CIA detainees, particularly those subjected to standing sleep deprivation, were routinely placed in diapers. Waste buckets were not always available. In the interrogation of Abu Hazim, a waste bucket was removed from his cell for punishment. According to a CIA cable, Abu Hazim requested a bucket in which he could relieve himself, but was told all rewards must be earned.
Dietary manipulation
HAYDEN:
In the section [of the ICRC report] on medical care, the report omits key contextual facts. For example, Abu Zubaydahs statement that he was given only Ensure and water for two to three weeks fails to mention the fact that he was on a liquid diet [was] quite appropriate because he was recovering from abdominal surgery at the time.
CIA RECORDS:
This testimony is inaccurate. CIA records detail how Abu Zubaydah was fed solid food shortly after being discharged from the hospital in April 2002. In August 2002, as part of the CIAs enhanced interrogation techniques, Abu Zubaydah was placed on a liquid diet of Ensure and water as both an interrogation technique, and as a means of limiting vomiting during waterboarding. In planning for the interrogation of subsequent detainees, the CIA determined that it would use a liquid diet. At least 30 CIA detainees were fed only a liquid diet of Ensure and water for interrogation purposes.
Punches and kicks
HAYDEN:
Punches and kicks are not authorized and have never been employed.
CIA RECORDS:
This testimony is incongruent with CIA records. Interviews conducted for two CIA internal reviews related to Gul Rahmans death provided details on CIA interrogations at the CIAs DETENTION SITE COBALT. In an interview report, CIA contractor DUNBAR described the hard or rough takedown used at DETENTION SITE COBALT. According to the interview report of DUNBAR, there were approximately five CIA officers from the renditions team . . . they opened the door of Rahmans cell and rushed in screaming and yelling for him to get down. They dragged him outside, cut off his clothes and secured him with Mylar tape. They covered his head with a hood and ran him up and down a long corridor adjacent to his cell. They slapped him and punched him several times. [DUNBAR] stated that although it was obvious they were not trying to hit him as hard as they could, a couple of times the punches were forceful. As they ran him along the corridor, a couple of times he fell and they dragged him through the dirt (the floor outside of the cells is dirt). Rahman did acquire a number of abrasions on his face, legs, and hands, but nothing that required medical attention. (This may account for the abrasions found on Rahmans body after his death. Rahman had a number of surface abrasions on his shoulders, pelvis, arms, legs, and face.)
The use of the hard or rough takedown, as used on Gul Rahman, was described by the CIA officer in charge of the CIAs DETENTION SITE COBALT as employed often in interrogations at [DETENTION SITE COBALT] as part of the atmospherics.
much more about his lying and the ugly truths, they even color code
his testimony vs the reports ......
Its a disturbing read but `i guess
LYING TO CONGRESS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/cia-interrogation-report/hayden-testimony/
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)If you want his rebuttal or as I call it more lies read this interview he just did.
This is how it ended.
Hirsh: You dont believe youre in legal jeopardy?
Hayden: No, not at all. I didnt do anything wrong. How could I be in legal jeopardy?
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/torture-report-michael-hayden-not-sorry-113450_Page2.html#ixzz3LTpY2jc9
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)you can be sure of that.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)An After Action Review is basically a run down of what went wrong, what went right, and how they can do better - next time. (It's always next time isn't it?)
That's how America is treating torture. That's how our government is treating war crimes. No accountability of any kind - just some vague notions of doing better next time. As if no one knew torture was wrong and illegal before the torture took place. But, gee, now we do and we'll do better - next time.
Now we're supposed to believe that getting some more of the facts (because we haven't gotten them all) will force the government to never ever do it again.
Yeah, right.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and then get away with it.
yeah...... its all bullshit.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)then Congress has failed to do its job.
When Congress fails to do their due diligence, then they fail us a well.
To me, there has been systemic fail throughout this whole sickening mess.
And yeah..it's all BS
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Otherwise everyone can lie to congress and its all just 2 + 2=5
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)What a worm. No words.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)CIA agents lied to White House officials and others about the use of torture and its effectiveness in obtaining information from detainees, according to an explosive report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday.
The lies began during the first term of the George W. Bush administration and continued into the presidency of Barack Obama.
The CIA lied to former Secretary of State Colin Powell and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld...more.....
The CIA lied to the Department of Justice......more...
A former CIA director lied to the Senate committee about nearly every aspect of the torture program....more....
The CIA crafted an inaccurate speech for Bush....more....
The CIA duped Obama's national security team...more....
http://mashable.com/2014/12/09/5-times-the-cia-lied/