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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:20 AM Dec 2014

Instead of prosecuting torturers, Obama prosecuted the guy who revealed the program

Much of the information in the report is new to the public, but a lot of it would have been uncovered during a detailed torture investigation Attorney General Eric Holder conducted during President Obama's first term. After carefully examining the evidence, Holder decided not to prosecute anyone for the CIA's torture. "The department has declined prosecution because the admissible evidence would not be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt," Holder said when he dropped investigations into two torture-related deaths in 2012.

That seems consistent with Obama's own views on the subject. Asked about investigating CIA torture in 2009, Obama replied that "it’s important to look forward and not backwards." Obama admitted that "we tortured some folks" earlier this year, but he didn't call for those responsible to be punished.

But the Obama administration has had a different attitude when it comes to those who revealed the existence of the CIA torture program. In 2012, the Obama administration charged former CIA official John Kiriakou for leaking classified information related to the torture program to reporters. Threatened with decades in prison, Kiriakou was forced to plead guilty and accept a 30-month prison sentence. He's in prison right now.

Obama has vowed to "use my authority as president to make sure we never resort to those methods again." But prosecuting people who revealed the program, instead of the people responsible, makes it more likely that abuses like this will happen again.

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/12/9/7361667/senate-torture-report-kiriakou
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Instead of prosecuting torturers, Obama prosecuted the guy who revealed the program (Original Post) grahamhgreen Dec 2014 OP
Consistent with his overall approach JonLP24 Dec 2014 #1
This is absolute bullshit. John Kiriakou wasn't jailed for exposing the program, he didn't even know okaawhatever Dec 2014 #2
Carrying water for torturers Android3.14 Dec 2014 #4
Your underwear is showing. Scuba Dec 2014 #5
wow, just wow PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #6
Please provide your source on the claim that he outed a covert CIA officer. nt el_bryanto Dec 2014 #8
From the New York Times: okaawhatever Dec 2014 #10
But we do agree torture should be prosecuted.... Right? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #12
Yes. nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #13
More. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #3
Give me a friggin' break. Kiriakou wasn't a whistleblower. When he disclosed the waterboarding, okaawhatever Dec 2014 #11
I don't know about the case beyond the highly sympathetic DEMOCRACYNOW! broadcast. Have you watched? proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #14
Like the guy who videotaped police violence getting arrested, but not the cop. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #7
beat me to it the latest one in NY littlewolf Dec 2014 #9

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
1. Consistent with his overall approach
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:34 AM
Dec 2014

in treating those who reveal the criminals as criminals.

I wonder who was behind the idea for this unprecendented use of the Espionage Act. Even something as little Stephen Kim leaking to a reporter that North Korea might do something which they did and they loudly celebrated, even had parades celebrating the launch of the third nuclear test.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
2. This is absolute bullshit. John Kiriakou wasn't jailed for exposing the program, he didn't even know
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:57 AM
Dec 2014

of a waterboarding program. He only thought it happened once. But regardless, that isn't what he went to jail for. He went to jail for:

On January 23, 2012, Kiriakou was charged with repeatedly disclosing classified information to journalists, including the name of a covert CIA officer and information revealing the role of another CIA employee, Deuce Martinez, in classified activities.[23][24][25] In addition to leaking the names and roles of CIA officers, Kiriakou was alleged to have lied to the CIA to get his book published.[26]

On January 25, 2013, Kiriakou was sentenced to 30 months in prison, making him the second CIA officer to be jailed for revealing classified material of CIA undercover identities.[9]


The guy is a total d-bag. Stop reading the propaganda and read a little more about him. He cares about himself only. If you were appalled at the releasing of Valarie Plame's info you should be equally appalled at what this guy did. It was the same thing.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
4. Carrying water for torturers
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:39 AM
Dec 2014

"repeatedly disclosing classified information" means whistleblowing about torture.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
10. From the New York Times:
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:25 PM
Dec 2014
The operative, John Kiriakou, who worked for the agency from 1990 to 2004, admitted that he had disclosed the name of the former colleague to a reporter, identified as Matthew Cole, formerly of ABC News. Mr. Kiriakou, who was a leader of the team that located and captured Abu Zubaydah, a suspected high-level facilitator for Al Qaeda, in Pakistan in 2002, pleaded guilty to violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Mr. Kiriakou came to public attention in late 2007 when he gave an interview to ABC News portraying the suffocation technique called waterboarding as torture, but describing it as necessary. The interview prompted reporters investigating the program to reach out to him.


Judge Brinkema will hold a hearing to sentence Mr. Kiriakou on Jan. 25. She noted that the proposed 30-month term was the same time that I. Lewis Libby Jr., the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, received in connection with the investigation into the disclosure of the identity of another C.I.A. official, Valerie Plame Wilson. After Mr. Libby was convicted of making false statements, President George W. Bush commuted his prison term.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

He was only convicted of identifying one person but had outed another. It wasn't for any moral reasons, like some are pushing. He did it to sell books.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
3. More.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:15 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/30/ex_cia_agent_whistleblower_john_kiriakou

...In a statement urging President Obama to commute Kiriakou’s sentence, a group of signatories including attorneys and former CIA officers said, quote, "[Kiriakou] is an anti-torture whistleblower who spoke out against torture because he believed it violated his oath to the Constitution. ... Please, Mr. President, do not allow your legacy to be one where only the whistleblower goes to prison."

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AMY GOODMAN: John Kiriakou joins us now from Washington, D.C. He spent 14 years at the CIA as an analyst and a case officer. In 2002, he led the team that found Abu Zubaydah, a high-ranking member of al-Qaeda. He’s father of five. In 2010, he published a memoir entitled The Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA’s War on Terror.

And we’re joined by one of John Kirakou’s attorneys, Jesselyn Radack. She’s the director of National Security & Human Rights at the Government Accountability Project, a former ethics adviser to the United States Department of Justice.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
11. Give me a friggin' break. Kiriakou wasn't a whistleblower. When he disclosed the waterboarding,
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014

which he thought only happened to Abu Zubaydah, he defended it He also wasn't charged for revealing the program (or confirming the existence of it) he was charged for revealing the name of two CIA officers, eventually pleading to leaking the name of only one. Kiriakou isn't any kind of hero. He did that to sell books, not for any moral reason.

Mr. Kiriakou came to public attention in late 2007 when he gave an interview to ABC News portraying the suffocation technique called waterboarding as torture, but describing it as necessary. The interview prompted reporters investigating the program to reach out to him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
14. I don't know about the case beyond the highly sympathetic DEMOCRACYNOW! broadcast. Have you watched?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:45 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/kiriakou_defenders_hope_to_commute_whistle-blowers_prison_sentence_20130123

Kiriakou Defenders Hope to Get Whistle-Blower’s Prison Sentence Commuted
Posted on Jan 23, 2013

...Those who have signed the letters in support of Kiriakou are politically varied. Among them are constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein, consumer advocate Ralph Nader, former Public Citizen president Joan Claybrook, former senior official from the departments of State, Defense and National Security Council Morton Halperin, CNN senior political analyst David Gergen and retired CIA officer Raymond McGovern. Others include 10 former CIA agents and five professors from Liberty University in Virginia.


https://blog.nader.org/2013/01/15/ralph-nader-and-colleagues-call-on-obama-to-pardon-john-kiriakou/

[center]Ralph Nader and Colleagues Call on Obama to Pardon John Kiriakou[/center]

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington, DC
20500

Dear President Obama:

We the undersigned are writing to urge that you pardon former CIA officer John Kiriakou. Motivated as a father devoted to his children, Mr. Kiriakou recently pleaded guilty to one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1981 to avoid the government’s threat of long-term devastation of his cherished family.

He pleaded guilty to the crime of providing the name of a former colleague to an author who was writing a book and searching for former CIA officers to interview, an act which seems much less censorable than Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage’s disclosure of the CIA’s Valerie Plame to reporter Robert Novak with impunity. Mr. Kiriakou’s disclosure never was made publicly available, and occasioned no harm to the United States. Indeed, it assisted in ending waterboarding, the crime of torture as you and your Attorney General have acknowledged. In contrast, Mr. Armitage’s disclosure was shared to the world by Mr. Novak, and reportedly placed in danger persons who had associated with Ms. Plame. The reporter of Mr. Kiriakou’s information unilaterally shared the name with the American Civil Liberties Union.

We believe that commutation is appropriate in this case for a number of reasons:

First, Mr. Kiriakou is a highly decorated, fourteen-year CIA counterterrorism veteran who has spent his entire adult life in public service, including two years as a senior aide to Senator John Kerry. He was the leader of the team that captured an al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah in Faisalabad, Pakistan in 2002. He is the recipient of twelve CIA Exceptional Performance Awards, the Sustained Superior Performance Award, the Meritorious Honor Award with Medal, and the Counterterrorism Service Medal.

Second, Mr. Kiriakou is an anti-torture whistleblower who spoke out against torture because he believed it violated his oath to the Constitution. He never tortured anyone, yet he is the only individual to be prosecuted in relation to the torture program of the past decade. The interrogators who tortured prisoners, the officials who gave the orders, the attorneys who authored the torture memos, and the CIA officers who destroyed the interrogation tapes have not been held professionally accountable, much less charged with crimes.

Third, there is precedent for leniency. In 2007, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was granted a commutation after being found guilty of four felony counts – obstruction of justice, making a false statement, and two counts of perjury – related to the Valerie Plame affair. Mr. Libby did not spend one day in prison. Similarly, in 2001 President Clinton pardoned Samuel L. Morison, the only person ever convicted of espionage for leaking classified information to the press.

Mr. President, do not allow your legacy to be one where only the accurate whistleblower goes to prison.

We urge you to take action in this matter. Please do not let this injustice stand. Commute John Kiriakou’s sentence.

Respectfully,

Bruce Fein
Ralph Nader
Joan Claybrook

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
9. beat me to it the latest one in NY
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:38 AM
Dec 2014

when "officer" Daniel Pantaleo killed Mr. Eric Garner.

they did indict the guy that video taped it.

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