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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts) Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:14 AM Dec 2014

Hillary's Core Supporters - Can You Make the Case for TPP?

I don't see a single progressive voice in favor of TPP.

However Hillary was one of the architects of TPP.

It must be confusion on my part, so I'd love to hear our most dedicated Hillary supporters make the case - Tell us the good that you see in the TPP

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Hillary's Core Supporters - Can You Make the Case for TPP? (Original Post) Katashi_itto Dec 2014 OP

I am not a dedicated Hillary supporter, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #1

See, that's how they spin these things. Fear. Its a weapon they use to encourage cooperation RiverLover Dec 2014 #5

It's not the first time I disagree with her Gman Dec 2014 #2

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, pro GMO's. They can't ... Scuba Dec 2014 #3

They will claim Robbins Dec 2014 #4

Yup. HappyMe Dec 2014 #6

There's this from yesterday on DU: Obama's Core Supporters - Can You Make the Case for TPP? pampango Dec 2014 #7

I'm not a core supporter of Hillary so don't know if i should answer el_bryanto Dec 2014 #8

Yup with Hillary we get TPP, with Cruz we get TPP so we are supposed to fall in line and Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #9

I am not going to do it Robbins Dec 2014 #10

Has Saint Liz Warren come out one way or the other on this? joeybee12 Dec 2014 #11

Doesn't matter. I would stay home rather than vote for Hillary. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #12

I don't know...seems to me there's not as much a difference joeybee12 Dec 2014 #13

Exactly, so why vote for her. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #14

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

1. I am not a dedicated Hillary supporter, but...

Reply to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:42 AM

Dec 2014

it seems that, among other things, the TPP is a strike against China taking over the world.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)

5. See, that's how they spin these things. Fear. Its a weapon they use to encourage cooperation

Reply to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:15 AM

Dec 2014

and complacency.

But what the corporations here seem to want, is to make the market able to compete with China's low pricing by making developed democratic nations around the world treat their workers & their environment just as bad so they can ALL offer consumers stuff at "low low prices" and still make a killing.

This is what they choose to do rather than just not deal with China anymore.

There's money to made there, can't give that up. Lets just throw all the workers of the world under the bus so we can make more money. With our governments' help.

THAT is what we need to fear.

Gman

(24,780 posts)

2. It's not the first time I disagree with her

Reply to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:55 AM

Dec 2014

And it's not a deal breaker for me.

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

3. Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, pro GMO's. They can't ...

Reply to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:05 AM

Dec 2014

... defend any of it, but they'll claim you "hate her" if you bring these up.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)

4. They will claim

Reply to Scuba (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:09 AM

Dec 2014

We are all wrong.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)

6. Yup.

Reply to Scuba (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:37 AM

Dec 2014

You "hate" her and should just be quiet, take a pledge and accept that everyone else is crappy. Threats about Cruz being president fit in somehow also.

pampango

(24,692 posts)

7. There's this from yesterday on DU: Obama's Core Supporters - Can You Make the Case for TPP?

Reply to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:37 AM

Dec 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5932863

Most of the posts there would work with this OP.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)

8. I'm not a core supporter of Hillary so don't know if i should answer

Reply to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:43 AM

Dec 2014

I do think that Trade Agreements can be a good thing; but historically they are negotiated in secret, they haven't protected workers rights, they haven't addressed environmental concerns, and without knowing more about TPP (which is also being negotiated in secret) it's hard to support it.

That said, I am not reflexively against trade agreements - on a global level we live in a capitalist economy. That economy needs to be regulated, and it's the nations that are going to have to regulate it through trade agreements. The problem is that such agreements aren't handled in a democratic way that puts the needs of the people first, in my opionion.

Bryant

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)

9. Yup with Hillary we get TPP, with Cruz we get TPP so we are supposed to fall in line and

Reply to el_bryanto (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:12 PM

Dec 2014

vote for the lessor of the two evils again.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)

10. I am not going to do it

Reply to Katashi_itto (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:20 PM

Dec 2014

I have voted democratic here In Missouri every time since i started to vote in 1992.I will never vote republican but i refuse after seeing how useless dems In Missouri are in aftermath of ferguson to vote for lesser of two evils anymore.

I will support a primary challenger to Hillary even if i am left only with Jim Webb.At least he is more honest than her.

I would rather stay home than vote for her and useless MO dems.