Why else would you waterboard someone 183 times, literally into oblivion? One reason you want them to say something. Only one other reason I can think of but I don't want to go there just yet.

Those guys thought they were masters at creating the narrative. They even bragged about it.

I have also been wondering about who were the persons that they chose to "interrogate" in this manner. Why were these individuals chosen? Did they know what really happened in September?

The whole thing makes me sick.

And everyone else who was complicit.

Explains why Gitmo prisoners could never be released, too.

Not only is there a way, Vincent Bugliosi literally wrote the book on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prosecution_of_George_W._Bush_for_Murder

It's a recipe for any State Attorney General to follow if any citizen of their state lost a person in Bush's Iraq War. I contributed to the election campaign of some Attorney General Candidate in Vermont or New Hampshire a few years ago because it was part of her platform to prosecute Bush Cheney if she got into office. Which she didn't.

Not a single solitary AG in any of our fifty states ever ran with it, though. We are all war criminals now


-90% Jimmy

I think pardoning the entire 2000 to 2008 GW Bush White House would be a pretty magnificent thing to do to help America live down our international shame of torture.

Some atonement and acknowledgment that what our government did on our behalf was illegal and morally repugnant.

-90% Jimmy

NO PARDON! Period.

How else was he going to get Haliburton all that extra work with no strings attached or competitive bids allowed? This action increased his personal wealth 400% during the 8 years he was in office. How else was he going to pressure Iraq to give all the oil leases to the US oil companies that he promised them long before the war started AND prior to 9/11?

We are not a nation of laws until these criminals are brought to justice.

the difference is the goals.
we have become debased by unregulated and unlimited greed,
almost as far as we can be without being run through
the enhanced interrogation routines ourselves.
maybe someday water boarding will be a party game?

According to NBC News:

Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured

At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured.”

The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/gov-tortured-killed-innocent-people-specific-purpose-producing-false-propaganda.html

Everything about the Iraq War was a cloak and dagger venture to make money for the defense industry (and Dick Cheney). The bandits told a big lie and it stuck. What Americans don't realize is that the next frontier of increasing the defense industry stocks could be anywhere, including their own doorsteps. These are traitors, and none of them were ever prosecuted because they own the system.

as long as Chelsea Manning and John Kiriakou rot behind bars,
while pardons are demanded for the real criminals,
and Scooter Libby & Richard Armitage walk the streets.
Still another reason to join Vets For Peace

The 2002 Joint Inquiry's classified 28 Pages, and the 9/11 Commission Report (bold emphasis added);

Important stuff.

about that in 5 yrs, instead of This, whatever THIS is then . But we didn't pony up the courage to do anything about it, it Wasn't " on the table " should have been a clue .

Call attention to this thread!

They called themselves that all the time, and it was one of their most infuriating practices.

I'm not sure anyone has ever met that standard in all of history.

Polarizing people that would otherwise come together, Against Them .

We would have had to create some unprecedented levels of unity to overcome it.

We should still blame ourselves, but also have compassion for our own limitations as human beings.

I can't add anything. Everyone else said everything that's been going thru my mind. They are war criminals. Now what are we going to do with them? And who all is going to go on the war criminal list?

What they almost most fear: They used torture to garner "evidence" Iraq was linked to attacks of September 11.

What they most fear: Answering for PREMEDITATED crimes of genocide, treason, and mass murder.

Bush is the Torture President and Obama refuses to call for and pursue justice.

The ideals that this nation once was, is dead.