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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:02 PM Dec 2014

If Pinochet can go to jail, Bush can go to jail.



Even when in the name of "national security" or patriotism, murder is murder and must be punished.

PS: And toss in Cheney, Poppy, and the rest of the warmongers. No need to dig up any of them who've gone to their "reward."
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If Pinochet can go to jail, Bush can go to jail. (Original Post) Octafish Dec 2014 OP
Unfortunately, the people of Chile choie Dec 2014 #1
Aren't ''crimes against humanity'' international in nature? Octafish Dec 2014 #6
Because Pinochet was installed with a military coup. Bush stole an election so, Cleita Dec 2014 #7
Cleita Diclotican Dec 2014 #18
'American exceptionalism' earthside Dec 2014 #2
Constitutional scholar, too. Incredible... Octafish Dec 2014 #3
I didn't know he said that yesterday ... earthside Dec 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Dec 2014 #4
I don't think he ever went to jail frazzled Dec 2014 #5
If we are lucky maindawg Dec 2014 #16
The daughter of one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg just Cleita Dec 2014 #8
I've always wondered how Pinochet went to trial and Hank didn't hootinholler Dec 2014 #9
He's another one that needs to be brought to justice. Cleita Dec 2014 #10
If Bush can go to jail, Obama can go to jail Freddie Stubbs Dec 2014 #11
+1000 nichomachus Dec 2014 #13
The One Case of Torture Obama Doesn’t Want You to Learn About Octafish Dec 2014 #19
I guess it's a nice dream The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #12
The US is, and has been, inalterably opposed to the ICC nichomachus Dec 2014 #14
I want them all in jail,every goddamned one of them... easychoice Dec 2014 #17

choie

(4,111 posts)
1. Unfortunately, the people of Chile
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:12 PM
Dec 2014

were more open to admitting their leader's war crimes and to holding him accountable. The American people are not...

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Aren't ''crimes against humanity'' international in nature?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:33 PM
Dec 2014

These guys are a resource on Pinochet...

International Criminal Court: The Pinochet Case

As for Bush, the world, if not the United States of America, awaits.




Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. Because Pinochet was installed with a military coup. Bush stole an election so,
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:36 PM
Dec 2014

with his cheerleading squad behind him at Fox News, had the appearance of legitimacy. His was the biggest con of our nation's history and now proof positive is emerging that Dick Cheney was the real President behind the scenes.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
18. Cleita
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:24 PM
Dec 2014

Cleita

I knew Cheney was the real President behind the scenes - when I first saw the two fellows togheter.... Bush was a stooge - And he know it - but had fun being the President - and was way to happy letting Cheney do the dirty job he could care less for...

Diclotican

earthside

(6,960 posts)
2. 'American exceptionalism'
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:12 PM
Dec 2014

Unfortunately, even Pres. Obama has bought into this notion of 'American exceptionalism' that permits our 'leaders' to see themselves, their policies, and their actions as mystically immune from justice.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Constitutional scholar, too. Incredible...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:29 PM
Dec 2014
Obama: America "Exceptional" So We Don't Prosecute Torturers

Legal experts and human rights advocates says prosecutions must follow Senate's report on CIA torture as president says grave violations of domestic and international law should be kept "where they belong—in the past"

byJon Queally, staff writer
Common Dreams, Dec. 10, 2014

In his first official remarks following Tuesday's release of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the torture program conducted by the CIA during the presidency of George W. Bush, President Barack Obama on Tuesday night indicated that the abuses detailed in the report conducted in the name of the American people—described as "horrific," "ruthless" and "much more brutal than previously thought"—should not be followed by further inquiries or prosecutions as many have long urged.

In his remarks, Obama acknowledged that "no nation is perfect," but argued that "one of the strengths that makes America exceptional is our willingness to openly confront our past, face our imperfections, make changes and do better."

Backed by his interpretation of "American Exceptionalism," Obama suggested that the release of the report—which his administration fought tirelessly to restrict—was all that was necessary in order for the nation to move forward.

"Rather than another reason to refight old arguments," Obama continued, "I hope that today’s report can help us leave these techniques where they belong—in the past."

Legal experts and human rights advocates, however, have taken a decidedly different approach to the report as many renewed a simple message in the wake of Tuesday's release, saying: If gross crimes were committed, prosecutors should be assigned and the criminals should be tried and punished.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/12/10/obama-america-exceptional-so-we-dont-prosecute-torturers

You know what would demonstrate "exceptional"? America prosecuting traitors, warmongers and banksters who made a killing off war.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
15. I didn't know he said that yesterday ...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

... when I wrote my post.

Unbelievable.

So Pres. Obama's reasoning on not prosecuting torturers is: "We won't do it again. We promise."

Oh, and more of what amounts to 'government privilege' ... those at the top have to take care of their own.

This episode is turning into a very, very low point for the Obama presidency.

Response to Octafish (Original post)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. I don't think he ever went to jail
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014

He died first.

And what ... he's indicted more than 30 years after taking power and committing the preponderance of the crimes (aside from the financial ones) against the country's own citizens :

Pinochet's regime was responsible for various human rights abuses during its reign including murder and torture of political opponents. According to a government commission report that included testimony from more than 30,000 people, Pinochet's government killed at least 3,197 people and tortured about 29,000. Two-thirds of the cases listed in the report happened in 1973.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Human_rights_violations


Let's not hyperbolize the courage and efficacy of Chilean justice.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
16. If we are lucky
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:39 PM
Dec 2014

They will indict W and Dick and all, after they have been dead for 30 years. At least they would be an admission of guilt.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. The daughter of one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg just
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:46 PM
Dec 2014

said they should be prosecuted. That would be Stephanie Miller the radio host. Her dad was an assistant prosecutor.

I would settle for putting Dick Cheney on the docket. It would have he result of bringing out all the truth of how the Bush Administration operated and whose palms they were greasing with our tax money. It would serve as an example to any future administrations of what could happen when they behave as criminals.

We could offer the rest of them pardons, Dubya, Condi, Rummy etc. providing they would be willing to divest themselves of their fortunes to be put in a trust fund for recompense to the middle eastern families whose lives they have destroyed and killed. Or they too can be put on trial for war crimes.

Someone has to go to the gallows.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
9. I've always wondered how Pinochet went to trial and Hank didn't
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:02 PM
Dec 2014

I mean Kissinger installed the war criminal and knew full well what he was about.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. He's another one that needs to be brought to justice.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:04 PM
Dec 2014

I would like to see Chile extradite him and put him on trial there for assisting the coup.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
12. I guess it's a nice dream
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:13 PM
Dec 2014

The US built and maintains whatever it is that makes up the international system. The US Government doesn't answer to anyone else. The US is good with that, because, obviously, it can do whatever it wants. The rest of the developed world is good with it, because the money that would go to their militaries can be spent on their social programs instead.

Nothing will happen. Accept it now, it'll save on needlessly wasted energy later.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
14. The US is, and has been, inalterably opposed to the ICC
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:50 PM
Dec 2014

And has threatened to invade any country that tries to bring our war criminals to justice.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
17. I want them all in jail,every goddamned one of them...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:54 PM
Dec 2014

from the guards up.
There was absolutely no excuse whatsoever for kidnapping and terrorizing those people.
Pure Medieval sadistic joy is the only reason I can think of for them to do that.
That still makes them all hideous monsters who have forfeited their right to live among us.

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